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steve mn

06-28-2011 04:44:51




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Farmer near me had this sitting in his hay field. My LA could kick his butt!!

Those Quadtrac"s are the old Steiger. Still made in Fargo. Been to the factory a few times. They make the CIH-New Holland tractor with the rotating cab at that facility also. Plus Case Wheel Loaders.
Enjoy!
Steve

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Derrol Wells

06-29-2011 10:05:27




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to steve mn, 06-28-2011 04:44:51  
That is a great picture and the tractors are just beautiful. All of it is well done. I am partial to the LAs and that one is extremely nice. Thanks for the nice photo.---Derrol in Texas---(Case LA Propane)



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Ande

06-29-2011 05:51:33




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to steve mn, 06-28-2011 04:44:51  
Life was so much simpler in the "Flambeau Day"s" you had your 3 quarters,warm home,"A6" combine,and a tin lunch kit,full of homemade food!



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Kevin B from Illinois

06-28-2011 19:46:41




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to steve mn, 06-28-2011 04:44:51  
case never realy built a tractor near this if it was not not IH RED there would be no more case name Even the president of the company thinks this way I bet but what ever good luke with the dream of case is the back bone that kept this company going.



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Agri King

06-29-2011 20:06:24




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to Kevin B from Illinois, 06-28-2011 19:46:41  
I have had this talk with you before. This time listen. Tennenco which owned JI Case bought IH's sorry, bankrupt a**. This was after IH had already sold off there worthless contruction and lawn and garden lines. Case even had to show IH how to put a cab door on a tractor. Not to mention IH was never smart enuff to figure out a trans. with more than 1 shift on the go speeds. (Late ugly 2+2 don't count. IH WAS BROKE. Go post somewhere else, no love for red tractors here.

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Kevin B from Illinois

06-30-2011 05:03:15




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to Agri King, 06-29-2011 20:06:24  
Maybe you should take a look at the Beagle commit on this page and you might come to right mind IH rear end totaly, not a case motor but cummins and they are a very good motor, IH cab, OH thats right on the early magnums case was able to put there silly eagel decal in the steering wheel had to throw them a bone, how much machinery did that great company have Combine no, tillage no, and then lost the only thing they had when Tenaco bought IH there colors, so give it up case had no market share realy ever other than there steam engines.

H

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Agri King

06-30-2011 19:53:59




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to Kevin B from Illinois, 06-30-2011 05:03:15  
Maybe you should go see how many of your IH clunkers need TA'S. Better Idea have them melted down for Case tie rod ends. I bet you have a yard full of junk. You can't fix anything yourself and sit there hiddin behind your computer. Lets see some pictures of what you have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Kevin B from Illinois

07-01-2011 04:44:33




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to Agri King, 06-30-2011 19:53:59  
What do you want my collection or what I farm with you can't have fun can you get pretty defensive for such and old small company.



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blackknight870

07-05-2011 17:56:14




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to Kevin B from Illinois, 07-01-2011 04:44:33  
like i always say which name comes first CASE NOT ih and there is a good reason for that i agree with agri king



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JohnDY

06-29-2011 06:41:01




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to Kevin B from Illinois, 06-28-2011 19:46:41  
If you will notice that in the new company name there is NO mention of IH. In the future I would be willing to bet it will only be Case/New Holland and they will merge it into one tractor line. There will only be John Deere, Massey Ferguson, and Case/New Holland. IH is gone line like Allis chalmers and the rest. Liked it better in the old days! If we don't watch out they will all be coming from China. Corporate greed and mismanagement.

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JKin NIL

06-28-2011 21:02:45




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to Kevin B from Illinois, 06-28-2011 19:46:41  
Funny whos tractor they quit building though?!



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steve mn

06-28-2011 20:09:10




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to Kevin B from Illinois, 06-28-2011 19:46:41  
Totally agree! Back when IH went belly up in "85 I was an engineer at Spicer Axle. We made front assist axles for 2 IH models. Case buys IH out and the Design Engineering group in Racine slowly changes over to different people. They were all ex IH people. Some that I had worked with previously at IH! Within 2 yrs the color changes to red. We got the business back for front assist axles 2 yrs later for the Magnum series CaseIH tractors. Case basically disappeared during this era and became IH.
Steve

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beagle

06-29-2011 18:29:54




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to steve mn, 06-28-2011 20:09:10  
In reality when the 7100 series came out the only part on them that were Case were the hood and instument cluster. The very early Magnums have IH stampings on the transmision houseing and through the MX series, most of the trans gears still have IH stamped in them from the molding. The reason that cases were painted red for 2 years is because it took 2 years for the tooling for the Magnums to get moved from Rock Island to Racine. On the flip side the 5100 series Maxxums are all Case and no IH. From what I was told is that they used the powertrain from a Case back hoe. Both ended up being some of the best tractors ever produced. Hard to beleive how much tractor companys and the world have changed in 27 years.

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Straw Boss

06-29-2011 22:08:27




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to beagle, 06-29-2011 18:29:54  
I think your a little short on credit to Case there. The engine under the hood was not IH by any means and a huge part of the success of the Magnum tractors. IH was running a high speed motor at the time that lost all torque as soon as you lost rpms. Exhaust temp always a concern too not to mention the high wear results. The cab was obvious IH and they can have the credit for that. Too small and poor lighting. At least Case showed them how to put the door on the right direction. IH did a good job on the transmission. No one knows how that happened with their track record. As far as paint, Case changed colors every ten years or so anyway so the Case guys were used to being jerked around on that part of it.

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steve mn

06-29-2011 19:43:49




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to beagle, 06-29-2011 18:29:54  
Good info. I did not know all that. Those were good tractors. When Spicer made the front assist axle for 1 of the Magnum series a kinda funny thing happened. At Spicer we had the axle castings done at the John Deere Dubuque casting plant. Fantastic quality. Machined great. Deere is very proud of what they do and they put a 1/2" tall JD logo on the back side. I saw it and never thought a thing about it. We shipped 500 axles a month for over a year and Case finally saw that JD logo. We got a VERY nasty call and had to send 3-4 people out to Racine and all the Dealerships all over the country for weeks to grind that logo off and spray paint over it. When I talk with my old buddies from Spicer we still chuckle about that one.
Steve

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JimEvans

06-28-2011 18:57:58




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to steve mn, 06-28-2011 04:44:51  
Real Cases are not RED. Nice LA



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Steve mn

06-28-2011 20:15:48




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to JimEvans, 06-28-2011 18:57:58  
You're right, Case's are not red! Also, I know a number of diehard Stieger folks in the Dakota's and they say that Stieger is not red either!



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Don L.

06-28-2011 18:07:57




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to steve mn, 06-28-2011 04:44:51  
Very nice LA ...! Don L.



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steve mn

06-28-2011 20:13:56




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to Don L., 06-28-2011 18:07:57  
Thanks Don.....do you recognize your seat, exhaust elbow, PTO shield, battery box, battery cover, gages, gasket kit, rebuilt water pump, & what ever else I got from you??
Thanks for the help!
Steve



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Don L.

06-28-2011 07:29:42




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to steve mn, 06-28-2011 04:44:51  
Deere has built and sells a quad now in the IND line. Seen it on you tube. They call it a 764X, High Speed Dozer. Don L.



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steve mn

06-28-2011 20:27:48




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to Don L., 06-28-2011 07:29:42  
I'll check that out. Cat built a high speed dozer called the DUECE for the military in the 90's. It's got the Challenger tracks and does 30mph. Pretty sure that's on utube also. The M1 tanks in Kuwait in '91 outran their supply lines and had to wait for dozers to be brought in to make an airfield so that planes could land to resupply the tanks. They were basically sitting ducks for a while. The DUECE can keep up with tanks. If I remember right it stands for Deployable Universal E??? Combat Earthmover. Forest service in the US and Canada bought them too to cut fast firebreaks. We built and sold 250(50/yr). The original order was for only 50.
Deere always copies. They ripped off the Challenger track system in the late 80's. Cat sued cause it looks just like Cat. After 15 yrs the lawsuit was settled. Cat won in Europe where no Challengers are sold and lost in the US. That's why Cat sold the Challenger line to Agco in Jackson, MN.
Steve

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Case Nutty 1660

06-28-2011 08:20:06




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to Don L., 06-28-2011 07:29:42  
Don it looks an awful lot like the CNH quad doesn't it cnt



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Bret4207

06-28-2011 06:10:03




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to steve mn, 06-28-2011 04:44:51  
In 30 years I can tell you which one will still be running, it's not the one with tracks!



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Jason Kozlowski

06-28-2011 08:52:48




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 Re: Old vs New Case's in reply to Bret4207, 06-28-2011 06:10:03  
I agree. I think the downfall of today's machines will be all that electronic BS.



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