converting eagle hitch to 3 point on an 830

I have a 1961 830 with the eagle hitch. I found a fellow that is parting out a late model 930. I was wondering if it is possible to put the 930 3 point on the 830, and if so how difficult would it be?

thanks

I'm no expert, but theoretically I don't think it should be a problem as the Eagle Hitch is basically a form of three point, the main difference being the lift arms. The other difference is that Eagle hitch arms do not flex from side to side while regular ones do. Why you would want to lessen the value of an original tractor is beyond me, however.

There should be a difference in hydralic pressure the pump puts out on those 2 models. You will have to stay with the 830 lift cylinder and if the 930 arms are longer you will loose lifting power.

Not to mention easier hook up of equipment.

Jim

Why? I have always thought the eagle huitch superior.

With the amount of time it would take to fabricate all the brackets it would be easier to buy a late model 830 and sell yours. The 930 3pt is a totally different setup than that old 830 ever had, nothing will directly swap, plus 930 rockshaft is internal, yours is external. It will also hurt the value of your tractor to butcher it that way.

Here's a picture of the 3pt that my 800 came with. This I am quite positive is a Case aftermarket or optional 3pt. I've seen 3 Eagle hitch era Case 730/800/830 tractors with this same 3pt setup on them. It is very heavy duty and has the swing bar (arms move together) underneath. The mounting brackets are basically 2-1/2 X 2-1/2 X 1/2 thick angle iron and plates welded up. (my optional top link mount is also shown). You could use the 3pt from a 930 but only the arms will do you any good (maybe the lift links too). You may be able to buy replacement arms from TSC for less $. The trick either way is to make the brackets to mount where the eagle hitch mounts are. Good luck

Try this picture upload.

Some us, probably most but not all, will agree with the eagle hitch being superior. I think the eagle hitch was the best 3pt type hitch ever made.

Pros:
Inherently rigid arms, no stiffeners required
Implements don't flop around like they do on the Fords and Fergusons.
Don't have to get off the tractor to hook up
Don't have to pull and tug on heavy implements if it is just a smidge off
Don't have to make multiple tries at backing up to be perfetctly aligned for hook up.
Don't have to get off tractor to unhook
No lynch pins to drop in the weeds and hunt for

Cons:
Class 1 was the heaviest available? (Is this true, our '63 830 had a real heavy duty top link with 1" pin.)

I have yet to see a 3pt implement that wouldn't hook up to an eagle hitch. Top link point may have to be adjusted or a longer aftermarket link used but the arm hitch points are still compatible.

I have also even seen on ebay recently and probably offered at some AG stores an arm attachment to convert your conventional (Ferguson type) arms to an eagle type back up and latch system. If eagle hitch was so poor why is somebody emulating the design now?

Instead of dropping the eagle hitch when the larger higher HP tractors needed a class 3 or 3 hitch Case should have beefed up the hitch for the 730-1030 and carried on from there but that all goes back to a management decision and probably watering down of the J.I. Case blood in the company over the years.

And that folks is my 2 cents worth and simply my personal opinion and experience with both systems.

Jim

the eagle hitch sux except for a post hole auger, lack of compatible implements as other brands of equipment most of which is better than Case's junk (like plows that don't scour as good as an Oliver) won't fit and they don't have a pivot for the rigid arms, get the arms in the wrong spot and you wreck the implement hitch or pto shaft, no draft, that stupid 3rd link, eh was as close as case could get without infringing on Fergusons patent, when that expired Case got with the program and made a real 3 pt. What I am saying is if you are a collector or tire kicker you won't mind eh, if you actually farm you will realize a standard 3 pt. like draft o matic is a far better system.

My family did farm and ranch sir!!!! I qualified my post with some people may not share my opinion and that my post was just my opinion and others have a right to disagree, YOU have no right to treat me like a leper on this site and I don't appreciate the tone of your post. A civil toned disagreement with good reasons would have been well recieved because we have all had different experiences, yours was a personal attack and inappropriate for this forum.

With the attitude you have about Case products, I don't even know why you monitor this site. If you are an Oliver man then go to that forum and be happy. I monitor this site because I DO happen to like Case products, we never had problems with our implements and they were all good sturdy equipment and well built.

Jim

years ago i knew a fellow that used the lift arms from a Oliver 1800 seems like it was a easy switch over, but i dont remember the details.

WELL SAID!!!! don't get me started, Case tractors and equipment is all prefer to use as I feel FOR ME it does the best job all around not to say other brands wouldn't do the job they all will IF you know how to use it!!!! my CASE cents Tom

RE DBOLL COMMENTS
Myself and Jim Garner are 100% on the same page.
I was born and brought up in a large family. Our family members owned and operated several dairy farms and my grandfather and my dad owned a Case Dealership. We never had any problems hooking implements onto a Eagle Hitch tractor.If you stop to think, Did Deere, or Oliver, or IH have a weight transfer 3pt. hitch at that time? As for your comments on junk Case equipment, I'll say this.It will perform no better than the guy running it!!!!! Iam dieing to hear your comments on a IH Fast hitch or an AC Couplimatic hitch system.

You forgot about that goofy system Oliver used where the lift arm balls stayed on the implement and the arms opened up very similar to eagle hitch but more stuff to buy. I have been using eagle hitch for 20+ years, never had a problem yet, kind of enjoy being able to sit down to hitch up unlike the neighbors who have to sometimes strong arm their stuff on........

c'mon lightn' Up,JG and dBoll... you both have rights to an opinion,. IF ANYONE HAS EVER MANGLED THE PTO on the haybine or sqauer baler ,or caught the side of the hitch of a IHC400 corn planter or a John DEERE L manure spreader and turned it into a pretzel , Like I have , then they Could get pretty vocal ,, I Do like the Case Eagle system , and realize that patent infrigement rules kept it from being trouble Free hitch ,, one of these days i will give it my honest best to hookup to 3pt Case Plow with my DC without getting out of the seat except for the top link, ,. when we were kids , Just for practice Play Dad had all 3 of his sons try to hookup without getting off the 300 CASE ... older brother was a natural , Bob and i could do it with Coaching , but golly bob was 10 and i was 13..

back off ,no body personally attacked you, you like eh, I don't so you can express your opinion but I can't? We had a 4-14 st plow growing up and later a 4-14 pull type, a Case plow was always a poorer scouring plow for us,(we have sticky silt clay loam soil) when Dad bought a 565 Oliver plow it was the first one that would clean off by itself. Ever bend the hitch on the corn planter with an 830 eh when you are rushed to get the corn planted and lose a day because of it? Dad had me take off the arms and they were never put on again. I am a realist, Case fm cultivators, mowers ect. were not the best on the market and the parts were expensive. We have had a few dc's around the farm and they are/were tough and economical but also poor handling. Dad always said he got more work done with his , dare I say it, 77 Oliver because of the better gear selection.I am not going to sell my jd planter, wil-rich digger, IH disk and chisel plow ect. to buy Case stuff replacements to farm with.Why did Case go to a dom hitch? My grandpa was an IH man, Dad a Case/Oliver farmer. They both made a living. I have mostly Case's. I guess not only jd owners have the beter than the rest mindset. I have seen good farmers with all brands of tractors. Check my past posts, how many were intended to help someone? I'll grant your request, the site is yours. Maybe I will go back out to the shop to work on my 52 SC.

I guess my question about your statement is this: Most draft arms have flexible balls in both ends, or at least all the ones I've seen do so why are these fancy brackets necessary? All you would need to do to keep them from moving from side to side is to slip a piece of pipe between the ball and the end of the pin or a piece of pipe on each side if you wanted them set a little wider. You could use the original rockshaft and linkage and, if you saved the Eagle Hitch draft arms, you could easily convert it back to original.