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Case numbering system for tractors

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JICASE

02-10-2010 22:09:35




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Does anyone know why Case had oddities in their numbering system? I've never heard how those decisions were made or who made them or why.

A few examples that come to mind...

The 300 made larger became a 350 instead of a 300 Super.
The 400 made larger become a 400 Super instead of a 450.

The 1200 4WD was numbered during the 30 series run, so why not be numbered as a 1230?
As a side note, why didn't Case put a 30 series grill on that thing as it would have looked MUCH better. Someone made that executive decision also and I've always wondered why.

The heavy 1070 was numbered as a 1090 instead of a 1075...yet the 90 series came later on? The 1170 became an 1175 not an 1190 so....anyhow.... anybody ever talk to anyone who was at Case back then? Anyone know why they did these things?

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oleclint

02-12-2010 19:04:45




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to JICASE, 02-10-2010 22:09:35  
The reasoning about Leon R Classen makes as much sense to me as anything else. L s, R s, & C s.Now why didn t I think of that !



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Doc Larry

02-12-2010 05:16:38




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to JICASE, 02-10-2010 22:09:35  
You are all trying to use logic to understand decisions that were made by management. These are simply "decisions made by management". What more can I say??

Larry the cynic.



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theljam

02-11-2010 19:40:32




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to JICASE, 02-10-2010 22:09:35  
I can't explain why Case used all the numbers or letters they did, but you can thank Leon R. Clausen for a little reasoning . The L, R & C series tractors were named after him.
This post was edited by theljam at 19:42:46 02/11/10.



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dboll

02-11-2010 19:43:53




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to theljam, 02-11-2010 19:40:32  
thats one I never heard.



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JICASE

02-11-2010 19:14:59




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to JICASE, 02-10-2010 22:09:35  
Forgot to mention the L was replaced by the LA.
The later V seies replaced by the VA.
With that in mind the C should be a CA and R an RA.

Otherwise with the C becoming a D and R an S,
then the L should have become an M and the V the W.

If we want to go back farther, why did they letter the crossmotors at the end of their production after all those years of carrying numbers? I think they were the model K, T and A or something like that?

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oleclint

02-11-2010 11:04:18




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to JICASE, 02-10-2010 22:09:35  
Some very interesting questions here. This is something that I ve wondered for 60+ yrs , I m older than that lol. Grew up on Case s and wondered who and why the different letters were on the tractors .Who decided what model got which letter . Same thing for no s. Have asked this before , never got much of a ans . This is not just for Case , other brands too. Thanks , oleclint



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Don Rudolph

02-11-2010 06:25:25




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to JICASE, 02-10-2010 22:09:35  
How about Case having a 400 and 600 at the same time as McCormick? That always made me wonder who was in charge.



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JGarner

02-11-2010 12:39:24




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to Don Rudolph, 02-11-2010 06:25:25  
So if the 400 & 500 replace the D series and LA in 54 and 55 and the VAC goes until 56 and the 300 doesn't come out until 57 (I think) what replaces the S series, the 300 I guess with a time lag and does the 200 replace the VAC? Then also in 57 the 400b is released as the COM version of the 300, what is the 500b/600b series to replace as the big 600 replaced the 500. How confusing could it all get??

Jim

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LenND

02-11-2010 14:21:54




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to JGarner, 02-11-2010 12:39:24  
Also the 600 was replaced by the 900 in 1957 and the 900 was replaced by 900B in 1958 and 59. Then the number was changed to 930 in 60 with a 1/4 bigger piston otherwise same tractor.



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John D.H.

02-11-2010 13:58:46




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to JGarner, 02-11-2010 12:39:24  
Jim, according to production figures VAC till 55, 300/350 56-57, 200B, 300B, 400B, 500B, and 600B were 58-59 and then the 30 series started in 1960. The 200 and 300 were dropped. Big 400 55-57. Big 500 53-56, and big 600 was 57. As they say who knows what their thinking was. We do know Clausen was more of a hindrance to Case than he was good for them.



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JGarner

02-11-2010 18:14:16




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to John D.H., 02-11-2010 13:58:46  
John, good info, helps clarify numbering for me. We had a VAC, then SC and LA. Later on the LA was replaced with an 830. I vaguely remember seeing the round nose two tone tractors but I was real young when the square nose tractors came out but at that time I wasn't interested in which was what.

You say the 200 and 300 were dropped, In my post I neglected to put the b after my 200/300 reference but I am not clear on what you mean by dropped. Do you mean not used with the big 400 and 500 introductions and then the 200b, 300b, 400b, 500b,600b ...came out.

Jim

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John D.H.

02-12-2010 04:17:59




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to JGarner, 02-11-2010 18:14:16  
Jim, according to production figures, Tom and Eldon, the 200/300 was only built for the "B" and discontinued with the "30" series. Apparently they felt there wasn't the need for the small tractor or maybe it had something to do with phase-out of the Rock Island plant?



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JGarner

02-12-2010 06:26:18




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to John D.H., 02-12-2010 04:17:59  
Thanks, John, guess I need to get Tom and Eldon's book. I think that is the only Case historical book I don't have in my library yet.

Maybe 200 and 300 were in planning stages and when they went to the b series and COM ...... Guess you can just never explain why management does what they do, just cuz they wanted to I guess as Don indicates above.

Jim



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JICASE

02-12-2010 12:18:49




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to JGarner, 02-12-2010 06:26:18  
I've always understood it this way.
200B lives on in the 430. Neither ever had COM.
300B/400B COM = 530 with COM optional.
500B/600B COM = 630 with COM optional.
700B w/o COM = 730 with COM optional.
800B w/COM = 830 with COM optional.
900B = 930. Both 6 speed chain drive transmissions.



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dboll

02-11-2010 15:08:09




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to John D.H., 02-11-2010 13:58:46  
Clausens tenure as pres. was from 24-48 so I don't think he was responsible for all of Case's stupid moves of which there was several over their history. The 930 had a 1/8 inch bigger bore over the 900 not 1/4. 377ci to 401.



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LenND

02-12-2010 13:17:18




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to dboll, 02-11-2010 15:08:09  
Depends on how you look at it. An 1/8 inch all the way around a cylinder makes that cylinder a 1/4 larger diameter no matter how you look at it.



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dboll

02-11-2010 09:27:39




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to Don Rudolph, 02-11-2010 06:25:25  
or making a 530, 630,730 or 830 after jd did, I see posts on a 730 or 830 on tt, wish they would add jd so I don't waste time opening it!



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John D.H.

02-11-2010 10:28:07




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to dboll, 02-11-2010 09:27:39  
Started earlier than that with the D and L. At least they were first with the L.



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dboll

02-11-2010 05:25:14




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 Re: Case numbering system for tractors in reply to JICASE, 02-10-2010 22:09:35  
or 2 entirely differen't 400, 500 and 600 tractors in the same era.



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