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jaoneill

05-03-2023 16:10:01

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Looking for a Delco starter for my new to me Tractomotive loader with the late Allis 226 engine, serial #17-14918-M. I've been told that it's a WD45 or D17 engine, starter has a ten tooth gear and 3 bolt mounting flange. Starter that is on it is an Autolite with a bunged up drive gear and I haven't had any luck finding parts. This Awfulite starter appears to have been recently rebuilt but with an incorrect starter drive which at full extension only engages the ring gear by about 1/4"; ie the stripped gear. As can be seen in the pic, there is a "shadow" line on the shaft, likely where the original drive lived. Thought is that rather than spin my wheels trying to find the correct drive, if it even exists, I would switch it to a Delco with decent parts availability.

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jaoneill

05-21-2023 16:26:15

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

The baby is born and has teeth..... Works like a charm

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teddy52food

05-22-2023 07:14:48

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-21-2023 16:26:15

Good to hear & glad to help out. That must be a popular drive as my friend that does starter work had it in stock.

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jaoneill

05-21-2023 09:01:20

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

Went together like a kindergarten jigsaw puzzle; will go down to the gravel bank after lunch/nap and put it to the test. Can't thank you enough!

Jim

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jaoneill

05-20-2023 13:26:23

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

Drive came yesterday, haven't put it together yet but it certainly looks like it will fit.

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teddy52food

05-21-2023 08:30:18

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-20-2023 13:26:23

Good. I hope it all works right for you.

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jaoneill

05-14-2023 03:11:20

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

Glad to hear it. Amazing how the USPS works; it normally takes 4-5 days to get a letter delivered three towns over but not much more to go halfway across the Country.

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teddy52food

05-14-2023 08:23:10

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-14-2023 03:11:20

I will get the drive in the mail tomorrow.

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teddy52food

05-13-2023 20:37:59

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

Check came today.Thanks.

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jaoneill

05-08-2023 10:55:58

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

Thank you!!

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jaoneill

05-08-2023 09:23:48

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

Yes I did! Our PO is only open 1/2 days, check will go out in the AM.

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teddy52food

05-08-2023 09:50:46

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-08-2023 09:23:48

Thanks!

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jaoneill

05-07-2023 16:31:51

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

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Email sent..... If you didn't get it check your spam; some providers don't appreciate my address.

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teddy52food

05-08-2023 07:35:18

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-07-2023 16:31:51

Got it. Did you get my reply?

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jaoneill

05-07-2023 12:35:43

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

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Went down and measured in to the ring gear. Final result is that this has to be the correct drive in that in the rest position it will just nicely clear the ring gear. So either this drive, with only a 1/4" of "throw" is somewhat faulty or the design engineers had a bad day in only having the gears mesh by 1/4".
I am getting nowhere with sending you a mail through this site, perhaps you could shoot me an email that I can reply to. My address is jaoneill at cwaugustineinc dot com.

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teddy52food

05-07-2023 16:06:59

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-07-2023 12:35:43

I did the copy & paste & when I sent it, it said an error occured? I don't know what is going on. Go on classic & try me again. pjctag@albanytel.com That gear should move more than that. How does the ring gear look?

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jaoneill

05-07-2023 10:19:02

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

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That definitely sounds like a plan, we do have a very accommodating machine shop a half hour away.
Just went out and looked at the drive again and perhaps it is faulty; it only has 1/4" "throw" from the rest position to full out leaving 1/2" of shaft between it and the nose. I need to make a trip down to the gravel pit this afternoon and measure the exact distance in to the ring gear.

PS. When I hit the send PM all I get is a blank page.
Jim

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teddy52food

05-07-2023 07:23:40

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

That shadow line is from where it rides in the bushing. We compared the drive we have with your picture & they look the same. Do you have a machine shop that could cut a new key slot closer to the end? I think we do here. Then it would move the drive to the end when it is extended & should clear the ring gear when retracted. My mail is open on classic.

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teddy52food

05-07-2023 09:11:11

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to teddy52food, 05-07-2023 07:23:40

another thing to check is to see if that drive goes all the way out to the end of the housing when you kick it in. If it does, then it is the wrong starter for the application.

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jaoneill

05-06-2023 12:35:56

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

Aw shucks. Was looking like a go for a bit there.....

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jaoneill

05-06-2023 11:08:29

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

It's a match! I'll bet that the bolt holes are on the center axis of the nose and 5" center to center.
How does one access the private mail function here?

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MHPull44

05-06-2023 11:50:10

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-06-2023 11:08:29

I measured 4-1/8 center of hole to center of hole, directly across using gage pins and dial calipers. The other snag is while looking at this, it appears to only have 9 teeth. I should've marked and counted them a second time yesterday.

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jaoneill

05-06-2023 10:01:29

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

Teddy, that is awesome, thank you. The $64,000 question would be is it the same as the one that was on my starter which appears to be new and judging by the shadow line on the shaft where the original once was, it is incorrect. It is 1/2" too short and only engages the gear by 1/4". I have no idea how to send you a mail and have had no luck figuring out how to do it. Help!!

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jaoneill

05-06-2023 09:52:46

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

I thought that must be the case but it's an interesting wrinkle....

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teddy52food

05-06-2023 08:26:29

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

I found the 10 tooth drive for the autolite starter. My mail is open on classic for details Thanks

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jaoneill

05-06-2023 04:05:09

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

I'm thinking that the 2 hole should work. Would you please check the length of the nose? Face of flange to furthest edge of the gear; and also the diameter of the "shoulder" at the flange.

I'm curious, I don't believe I've ever seen a drive with the gear in the "engage" location when at rest. How does that work?

Jim
This post was edited by jaoneill on 05/06/2023 at 04:08 am.

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MHPull44

05-06-2023 10:46:33

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-06-2023 04:05:09

3.250 flange pilot diameter and roughly 2-3/8 flange face to gear
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Bob Bancroft

05-06-2023 08:24:00

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-06-2023 04:05:09

Some starter drive gears have a clutching mechanism which locks in the engaged position when the starter is energized. They don't retract until the engine fires and kicks the gear back.

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jaoneill

05-05-2023 19:11:27

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

Which one is the 2 hole?

I don't believe that the first one (the one with the new looking gear) would work. The one that I took off is +/- 4" from the face of the flange to the outside tip of the drive housing and the flywheel ring gear is right at the interior of the nose (the drive gear would need to be close to the nose bushing).

The other one shows the drive gear where it would be in the "engaged" position on mine. This post was edited by jaoneill on 05/05/2023 at 07:13 pm.

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jaoneill

05-05-2023 18:45:05

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

Quote: CVPost-MHPull44 (quoted from post at 21:15:00 05/05/23) Found 2 starters, one autolite MAX 4080
6F 3 bolt and a Delco Remy 1107695 7B15
two hole.

Would you know if they are both compatible with the G226 (D-17)?

I don't believe that the first one (the one with the new looking gear) would work. The one that I took off is +/- 4" from the face of the flange to the outside tip of the drive housing and the flywheel ring gear is right at the interior of the nose (the drive gear would need to be close to the nose bushing).

The other one shows the drive gear where it would be in the "engaged" position on mine. This post was edited by jaoneill on 05/05/2023 at 07:07 pm.

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MHPull44

05-05-2023 19:18:01

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-05-2023 18:45:05

Two bolt has the gear out towards end of the nose cone

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MHPull44

05-05-2023 19:01:08

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-05-2023 18:45:05

The two bolt one was actually mounted on a Gleaner E3 combine with a D-17 style Z code engine. The 3 bolt one I'm not sure what it's out of.

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MHPull44

05-05-2023 17:21:29

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

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MHPull44

05-05-2023 17:24:04

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to MHPull44, 05-05-2023 17:21:29

Didn't upload right
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MHPull44

05-05-2023 17:15:00

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

Found 2 starters, one autolite MAX 4080 6F 3 bolt and a Delco Remy 1107695 7B15 two hole.

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jaoneill

05-05-2023 13:07:05

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

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Yes, 10 teeth

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jaoneill

05-05-2023 10:55:27

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Awesome, I will also check this afternoon on the configuration of the bolt holes but I saw a new ChiCom "aftermarket" G226 starter out of Canada that includes the Tractomotive T-10 loader in the list of things it will fit. The interesting thing is that this ChiCom unit only has 2 bolts (my original has 3). I'm thinking that perhaps the 2 holes line up and a replacement wouldn't need a 3 bolt flange.

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MHPull44

05-05-2023 09:49:22

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

I believe I have what you are looking for. I will verify this evening.

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jaoneill

05-04-2023 05:28:18

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

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A D17 it is, but an early one. I've been told that the numbers indicate a '58-'59 build date which is in sync with the 1959 build date of the loader.

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Bob Bancroft

05-04-2023 04:34:25

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

Your serial number and starter flange description indicate you have a D17 engine. The WD45 starter had no flange and was held in with a set screw.

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jaoneill

05-04-2023 02:51:20

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

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Autolite #MCL 6009A.

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teddy52food

05-04-2023 08:12:19

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-04-2023 02:51:20

I am checking.

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teddy52food

05-05-2023 10:53:39

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to teddy52food, 05-04-2023 08:12:19

I think he has one. Will check the # of teeth yet. Should be 10 right?

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teddy52food

05-03-2023 19:44:38

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Re: ISO a 226 starter in reply to jaoneill, 05-03-2023 16:10:01

Can you give me the autolite starter #? I will check & see if I can find one.

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