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262 BUDA ENGINE rebuild

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joe brabank

04-28-2020 17:35:08




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looks like a rebuild, but is this buda engine worth the cost? is it an unreliable engine no one wants? are all the parts available? D17 s/n2497D engine s/n 100665 all engine kits found for s/n 111??? and up! any tips would be greatly appreciated. thanks.




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Jr1983

05-01-2020 20:15:15




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 Re: 262 BUDA ENGINE rebuild in reply to joe brabank, 04-28-2020 17:35:08  
I just did a wd45 diesel. If the block is broken head needs replaced pump and injectors needs done and crank ground with parts and no labor you're looking at around 6k. If all its big parts are good and just worn probably $1500. If it was mine I'd see how bad it was going to be before I started looking for other directions. It doesnt cost anything to pull the head.



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joe brabank

05-03-2020 17:51:45




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 Re: 262 BUDA ENGINE rebuild in reply to Jr1983, 05-01-2020 20:15:15  
head was removed,head gasket was blown between cy. 1&2 2%3 and 4&5. liners look lower then the deck. not worth measuring because when you scratch your finger nail across the liner the deck is higher. have done old cat engines by cutting the counter bores and shimming the liners.did not know if this engine would be worth the time and cash? like my grandfather always said,"you can not make a silk purse out of sows ear"

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DrAllis

05-01-2020 17:16:57




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 Re: 262 BUDA ENGINE rebuild in reply to joe brabank, 04-28-2020 17:35:08  
I could fabricate what is needed to make combine governor linkage work like a tractor, but I couldn't tell anyone how to do it.



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DrAllis

04-30-2020 05:11:21




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 Re: 262 BUDA ENGINE rebuild in reply to joe brabank, 04-28-2020 17:35:08  
A D-17 gas chassis had a longer clutch shaft than a diesel, about 1 1/4" longer. A D-17 gas engine (G-226) had a real thick cast iron adapter plate moving the shorter 4-cylinder engine forward a couple of inches. So, a gas engine really isn't a easy idea. For a relatively 'easy" conversion to a gas engine, you need a G-230 or G-262 from a model A or A2 or C or C2 Gleaner combine. The only complication is the governor, as a combine isn't the same governor linkage as a tractor. The only tractor that used a G-262 is a D-19 and there were zero tractors that used a G-230. Some Cockshutt tractors used a Buda brand engine and I think some governor linkage and parts could be used, although not identical to the A-C G-series engines. Let there be no doubt that by 1957, these engines were Allis-Chalmers branded engines, not Buda.

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Traditional Farmer

05-01-2020 04:03:17




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 Re: 262 BUDA ENGINE rebuild in reply to DrAllis, 04-30-2020 05:11:21  
If the whole front plate set up is used the Cockshutt governor will work but the problem with a D17 would be the front engine mount.



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Traditional Farmer

04-29-2020 13:12:48




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 Re: 262 BUDA ENGINE rebuild in reply to joe brabank, 04-28-2020 17:35:08  
For less than what you would have in a rebuild on the diesel you could most likely buy a D17 gas and use your tractor for parts.



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DrAllis

04-29-2020 05:28:41




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 Re: 262 BUDA ENGINE rebuild in reply to joe brabank, 04-28-2020 17:35:08  
The worst (in reliability) engine AC ever built was the D-262 turbo engine in the D-19 farm tractor. The D-262 in an old D-17 would probably be next worst. They are known for cracking cylinder heads and blowing head gaskets. The head gaskets blow because the wet sleeves have sunk below flush of the top of the block. This requires a different block or expensive machining of the old block with new sleeves that have a thicker top flange lip. When new, they ran and performed great. But, when they need to be overhauled, they are a money pit !!!!!!!!!!

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joe brabank

04-29-2020 08:01:24




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 Re: 262 BUDA ENGINE rebuild in reply to DrAllis, 04-29-2020 05:28:41  
any suggestions on how this tractor could be salvaged,maybe a repower? if so what would be the best match and easy to find.



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Bob Bancroft

04-29-2020 08:20:04




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 Re: 262 BUDA ENGINE rebuild in reply to joe brabank, 04-29-2020 08:01:24  
Lots of the same basic block gas engine version were used in combines. I've seen a 6 cylinder gas D17, which I assume was a diesel, converted.



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joe brabank

04-29-2020 18:57:09




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 Re: 262 BUDA ENGINE rebuild in reply to Bob Bancroft, 04-29-2020 08:20:04  
would a G226 gas from a d17 fit in were the 262 diesel came out. the 262 was mounted with an adapter plate which also was used for the starter mount.



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Tramway Guy

04-29-2020 10:48:43




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 Re: 262 BUDA ENGINE rebuild in reply to Bob Bancroft, 04-29-2020 08:20:04  
Some cotton pickers used the D19 gas engine mated to the D17 chassis.



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