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D 17 diesel engine swap questions?

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R.w.b.

08-23-2019 15:40:00




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Got a d 17 diesel with big hole in block.
Was thinking of what gleaner had the gas engine that would be a drop in,buda 6b230? And what flywheel will it need as well as other parts?




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DrAllis

08-27-2019 10:07:33




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 Re: D 17 diesel engine swap questions? in reply to R.w.b., 08-23-2019 15:40:00  
Would love to see pics of the axle in that chassis. I'm going to put the orbitrol under the gas tank so it is hidden. I can't use a 190 axle frame because it's too long under a D-17 gas chassis. I could shorten the frame yes, but the steering cylinder length cannot be changed to keep the swing arm working correctly. That's why I'm thinking the cylinder connected crossways to the tie rods like a late 170-175. I'll know more when I get the old engine out and 4-banger in.

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DrAllis

08-27-2019 05:10:57




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 Re: D 17 diesel engine swap questions? in reply to R.w.b., 08-23-2019 15:40:00  
So, what did you do for the power steering?? Did you use the XT wide front with the steering ram built into the axle ??



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Al Baker(pumpman)

08-27-2019 06:56:58




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 Re: D 17 diesel engine swap questions? in reply to DrAllis, 08-27-2019 05:10:57  
Yes 190 axle with steering cylinder. Still used 19 knees and spindles. U put the steering motor behind the left frame rail and used the same steering shaft off the 19, just used a spline welded to it to run the motor, both off the 190. You can see hoses, but everything else is behind the frame rail. Al



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Al Baker(pumpman)

08-26-2019 21:56:16




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 Re: D 17 diesel engine swap questions? in reply to R.w.b., 08-23-2019 15:40:00  
I did a D-19 swap with a 190 XT turbo diesel. Mine looks good and doesn't look like it was put in with an axe. Everything depends on your skill level and imagination. Most of the upgrades bolt on off a 190/200. Some fab also needed to be done. I call mine a D-19 series II. Al



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DrAllis

08-26-2019 12:46:08




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 Re: D 17 diesel engine swap questions? in reply to R.w.b., 08-23-2019 15:40:00  
I plan on taking a lot of pictures and then getting one of my grandkids to post them for me.



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DrAllis

08-26-2019 05:55:04




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 Re: D 17 diesel engine swap questions? in reply to R.w.b., 08-23-2019 15:40:00  
I've seen a D-19 with the F-2 engine in it and it too was done badly. He dropped the whole front support to allow the power steering cylinder to clear the engine, so as a result the nose was way up in the air. Looked like crap. I'm starting a project this Fall of an F-2 turbo diesel engine into a NF D-17 series 3 and the plan is to make it look factory (no bubbles in the hood). I'll probably go to a wide front with a steering cylinder crossways like on a late 170-175. Hope to be done by spring. It will have "live" hydraulics like a D-17 S4 with the pump on the engine like a 190 tractor. Power steering will be hydrostatic also.

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Bob Bancroft

08-26-2019 08:46:58




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 Re: D 17 diesel engine swap questions? in reply to DrAllis, 08-26-2019 05:55:04  
I hope we get to see pictures. I enjoy all the pictures which are shared on here.



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DrAllis

08-26-2019 05:13:29




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 Re: D 17 diesel engine swap questions? in reply to R.w.b., 08-23-2019 15:40:00  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see The biggest problem with that (other than it is too long for the frame) is you'll not be able to use the factory power steering. The only power steering option would be an external Charlynn unit with lots of steering shaft mods.



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R.w.b.

08-24-2019 04:33:01




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 Re: D 17 diesel engine swap questions? in reply to R.w.b., 08-23-2019 15:40:00  
Thanks,was thinking A wasnt sure.seen several that had that change.tractor is decent ,nice rubber tin excellent rubber boot on gear shift is soft and pliable giving impression its been kept up.owner said it ran great,was pulling a plow and out of sky blue it made a loud noise and he took an oil bath. Things happen



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DrAllis

08-23-2019 18:18:44




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 Re: D 17 diesel engine swap questions? in reply to R.w.b., 08-23-2019 15:40:00  
Gleaner model A and A2 had the 230 engine. Gleaners model C and C2 and early model F combines had the G-262. Use your flywheel from the tractor on the combine engine. The governor and variable speed linkage will be your worst issue, as those parts only come from a D-19 gas tractor.



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Bob Bancroft

08-23-2019 17:51:11




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 Re: D 17 diesel engine swap questions? in reply to R.w.b., 08-23-2019 15:40:00  
Later Gleaner A had that engine. C, early F, maybe the G had the 262?



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Bob Bancroft

08-23-2019 18:45:49




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 Re: D 17 diesel engine swap questions? in reply to Bob Bancroft, 08-23-2019 17:51:11  
Just looked it up. G had 301



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VicS

08-26-2019 04:05:47




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 Re: D 17 diesel engine swap questions? in reply to Bob Bancroft, 08-23-2019 18:45:49  
301 would be even better.



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Bob Bancroft

08-26-2019 05:33:05




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 Re: D 17 diesel engine swap questions? in reply to VicS, 08-26-2019 04:05:47  
I saw a 301 crammed into a D19. What an ugly mess. When my F2 went down the road, I had day dreams about putting that 4 cyl into a D19. I wonder if anyone has done that? I had owned three of those engines. Two in combines and one in a tractor. What a little powerhouse.



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