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Allis 160 perkins diesel rebuild/swap?

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05-12-2019 18:36:24

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My little 160 gave up the ghost a while back while I was bush hogging. I'd been cutting for a while, and suddenly, it sounded as if the engine came under a tremendous load. The "heavy loaded" sound continued after I kicked off the pto. So I drove straight to the barn and shut it down, It had gotten hot in the less than a minute since the loaded sound started. The engine had a decent amount of blow by before the event.

After cooling off, I found that with the pulley off,the crank could be moved by hand in and out as well as up and down, Maybe as much as a quarter inch total axial and radial play. I haven't tried to crank the engine since.

Fast forward a few years, and it's time to fix it or send it to the tractor graveyard. I'm toying with trying to find a decent running AD3.152 out of one of the several Massey's or numerous forklifts, boats, welders, etc and just doing a swap. Recently, I had a line on one, but it didn't have machined forward mounts like my tractor does. Also, through reading and looking, I realized my crank has a splined forward end, and it doesn't seem the ones in the Massey's have that. Apparently, mine is an industrial 3.152. I don't think it even uses the same injection pump as the ones in the Massey.

SO, it seems that it's not as easy as "pull one Perkins out, put another in".

I'd like to ask for the collective wisdom of the group about the potential cost to rebuild my engine based upon what I've shared about it's condition. How bad are the innards knackerd with that much crank slop? I wouldn't mind pulling it and doing a rebuild (new thing for me), but don't want to put $2,000 into it because it needs line boring, new injection pump, etc... I've read that these CAV pumps, if shut down hot will lock up?

Also, I'm asking for some info on the differences between my 160 engine, and the other Perkins 3.152's. Like, can I swap injection pumps if needed? is there a reasonable way to make a swap work, or just throwing good money after bad?

I'd possibly be interested in buying another 160 to use as a parts tractor, somewhere around the mid-atlantic if anyone reading this has one....

Thanks for your time and knowledge.

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05-15-2019 14:00:28

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 Re: Allis 160 perkins diesel rebuild/swap? in reply to scottnj1, 05-12-2019 18:36:24  
If your 160 is generally in very good condition and you don't work it too hard you're probably OK to spend some money on it, as you say preferrably on a good used engine. My Dad used to have a 160 and because they're French made they are very difficult to get parts for and some of the design wasn't the best and difficult to repair. I know he would never buy one again if it were to be for keeps. If you search some of the threads re A-C 160's in this forum you will get more of an idea what the challenges are. Yet, some people that have them and seem to be reasonably happy. The A-C 170 is far more worth pursuing if you can find a good one.

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05-14-2019 04:18:44

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 Re: Allis 160 perkins diesel rebuild/swap? in reply to scottnj1, 05-12-2019 18:36:24  
I needed that same engine with the machined bosses for a 785 skid loader last year and never did find one. Found plenty without the bosses. You may have to rebuild the one you have.

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