100 Series and 200

2510Paul

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When I grew up we had MH and then my Dad bought a second farm, middle 60's. We bought a 190XT. We had rear-end issues but I still thought they were a nice tractor. Later we got a 200 and 170 and eventually they both popped out of gear. I assume part design intolerance and part operator.

Anyway, I see very little on here about the 100 Series and 200 tractors. I know there are some collectors out there. Can we get some pictures, working or restored, and maybe a couple of comments about the tractor? I see very little on here about those tractors and often wonder why.

Paul
 
We had a 190XT series III. Wasn?t the greatest nor handiest loader tractor I have ever run, but it was reliable. It would jump out of 4th gear both on the high and low sides. Had 2 D21s and neither of them would jump out of gears. The first one I drove like a semi. Never clutched to shift. Had a 210 that had something in the fuel tank and would gel up about a mile from the house. Hated that tractor even though it wasn?t it?s fault.
 
How in the world can Allis Chalmers make all them WD's and 45's an never have a problem? Have a D-19 and it jumps out of 3rd gear rolling. Pulling it stays in gear.
 
I have seen a WD45 jump out of 3rd gear. I have seen many A-C's that jump out of 3rd gear going downhill with a push behind it. EVERY ONE OF THEM have been ground into gear thousands of times wearing off the shifting lugs/dogs to the point it can't stay in gear anymore. It really gets down to the Operator. If you want to grind it into gear all the time....one day you will pay for it. Why third gear?? That's the gear used 70% to 80% of the time, that's why.
 
Thanks for the additional information on the WD. I agree that it was mostly operator. We had a loader on the 200 and my Dad would grind those gears terribly. I guess my brothers thought it was the thing to do also.

At the auction all the Allis's and the JD 2440 all jumped out of gear which for a JD I feel is rare.

I do feel AC could have done a better design job or improved the design. The IH tractors, 806 - 66 series all were gear grinders, especially with a mal-adjusted TA or clutch, but I don't recall any that jumped out of gear.


Paul
 
I spent my summers, as a youth, running a WD45, pulling a baler. That tractor did everything, and was worked hard longer than any other AC here, and the trans. never bothered. My cousin still has my family's 1950 WD, and that has never bothered.

Fast forward to the new 185, and that started popping out of 2nd going down hill, very early on.

Certainly how they were operated is a factor. I think something changed in materials, and/or engineering, as the bigger, later models seems to bother more, sooner. I was working at the local AC dealer until the mid 80's, and it was disappointing how we were doing everything we could with shifters to try to keep tractors in gear. Again, some of these were nearly new tractors. The 185 and 200 were our best sellers, and they were the ones bothering. We would grind and weld, moving the detent a tiny bit in the shifter rails. We would install a second, smaller diameter spring inside the existing detent spring. I seldom found out whether these ideas came from AC, or the boss, as all my information came from him.
 
Extremely Interesting. I agree, operator was a factor but like you I think there was a design weakness. It is interesting they did not fix it at least in the 100 Series or 200. I don't know anything about the 7000 series except I have always thought they were ugly. Thanks. Paul
 
My grandfather had a new 190XT and it was not very old when it started jumping out of gear. There are some improvements to help with the problem. A few shops figured out that the shifting rail detents can be moved causing it to go into gear further. That helps many but if abused and ran to long that will not help without new parts. The biggest dislike I have for a 190 is no independent pto. What were they thinking? Dad hated my grandfather's 190 on the chopper as you could not change gears on headlands like you could on a 4020 or almost all other tractors of that time frame. Someday I hope to pick up a 190 just to have. Tom
 
I have a 185 diesel that I actually rebuilt the transmission on with help of the gurus in this forum . After I got used to it , the pto that is , I really liked it. I use it to mow , Ted , and rake . Little bit of tillage . My neighbors grandpa has one he bought new and used heavily , it doesn't jump out of gear . He always shifted carefully .
 
I have a 1968 190XT. Doesn't pop out of gear. Doesn't grind either if you pause for a second before shifting.
My brother also has a '68 and his stays in gear.

My D12 had a bad bearing and when replacing it I had to replace 3rd/reverse gears due to previous owners grinding the gears. See below image of what happens when


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