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Jona

10-30-2018 06:32:31




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I have a D 17 and I am including a picture I want to know how I can hook onto this hydraulic outlet and back and re-routed To a too spoolcontroller to run my desk and the other hydraulic implements outback a picture would be helpful Jack
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Jim.ME

10-31-2018 16:56:09




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 Re: Hyd.hookup in reply to Jona, 10-30-2018 06:32:31  
In answer to your question about just being able to tighten something on a loader cylinder to stop the leak; you're out of luck unless it is a hose or fitting. That type cylinder has to come apart and be resealed/packed if it is leaking around the rod or gland head.
Not knowing if your existing loader control valve is capable of power beyond; my thoughts as to adding rear remote couplings would be to get a new valve with the power beyond function (At a minimum I'd use a 2 spool valve so as to add two sets of couplers). You would then remove the pressure hose/line from existing loader valve and connect it to the new valve. You then run a hose from the new valve's power beyond port to the inlet port (the port where the pressure hose from the pump was removed from) of the existing loader valve. The return port of the new valve can be tee'd into the return line of the existing loader valve. Surplus Center.com has some videos in their technical section and they explain the power beyond sleeve and function in a Prince brand valve. You will be committed to keeping the main frame of the loader on as the reservoir for the front pump, unless you add a different reservoir. This is kind of a basic generic rundown, someone else may give you more info.

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Jim.ME

10-31-2018 03:57:26




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 Re: Hyd.hookup in reply to Jona, 10-30-2018 06:32:31  

I don't see any photos.



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Jim.ME

10-30-2018 14:37:47




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 Re: Hyd.hookup in reply to Jona, 10-30-2018 06:32:31  
Yes, you should be able to tie into the front pump/loader hydraulic system which would be better than using the remote coupler since it would give you live hydraulics, as Butch mentioned. What/where the reservoir for the front pump is may come into play if you want to remove the loader at times. Some loaders used the loader frame as the reservoir. To give better answers on how to do it people will need to know what and how your system is set up now.
Along the same lines with the cylinder. There are different manufacturers and designs of cylinders. Some have packings that can be tightened and may stop some external leaking, some don't. Hard to say without seeing it.

More info and photos would help people help you.

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Jona

10-31-2018 14:54:55




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 Re: Hyd.hookup in reply to Jim.ME, 10-30-2018 14:37:47  
OK sorry for the delay but I finally got the pictures on the controller on my D 17 tractor I was asking the question can I tie on this controller to another controller for the back for hydraulics out there appreciate that thank you kindly hope you enjoy the pictures Jack

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Jona

10-30-2018 15:03:00




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 Re: Hyd.hookup in reply to Jim.ME, 10-30-2018 14:37:47  
Here's more pictures I don't have the other ones handy but the loader serves as the reservoir you can see I got the cap Off where your poor of the oil and I think like you said this would be the nicest way to hook up thank you My question is how ?



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Butch(OH)

10-30-2018 07:01:16




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 Re: Hyd.hookup in reply to Jona, 10-30-2018 06:32:31  
There are multiple ways to do it, the best way for you depends on your wants and needs. The most simple way to do it is to run a hose from the factory outlet to the inlet of a 2 spool valve. The outlet of the 2 spool valve must be returned to the hydraulic reservoir. The valve and all of the add on plumbing must be capable of handling the high pressures generated by the piston pump. To use it you lock the lift lower lever in the raise position. Realize that you will not have live hydraulics and unless you correctly size the cylinders they will be slow acting and will generate several times the force that the equipment was designed for. Another more costly and complicated way to to it is to add a crankshaft driven pump up front and create an entirely separate system. You if you chose the right components you will then then have live hydraulics that operate at "normal" pressure and flow to be compatible with about anything you will be using that size tractor for.

If you are hydraulically challenged you should either go the simple route or find someone that has actually done one from scratch and knows exactly what you need. I modified two D-17s to front pumps and 2 spool valves but that was close to 50 years ago and I bought the pumps,mounts and drives from Allis Chalmers.

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Jona

10-30-2018 07:19:19




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 Re: Hyd.hookup in reply to Butch(OH), 10-30-2018 07:01:16  
Also I have a Nother question I do have a front pump for the hydraulic loader is there another way I can tie onto that?but one of the cylinders is leaking how can I fix that can I just tighten something there on the seals?
Jack



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Butch(OH)

10-30-2018 07:00:11




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 Re: Hyd.hookup in reply to Jona, 10-30-2018 06:32:31  
There are multiple ways to do it, the best way for you depends on your wants and needs. The most simple way to do it is to run a hose from the factory outlet to the inlet of a 2 spool valve. The outlet of the 2 spool valve must be returned to the hydraulic reservoir. The valve and all of the add on plumbing must be capable of handling the high pressures generated by the piston pump. To use it you lock the lift lower lever in the raise position. Realize that you will not have live hydraulics and unless you correctly size the cylinders they will be slow acting and will generate several times the force that the equipment was designed for. Another more costly and complicated way to to it is to add a crankshaft driven pump up front and create an entirely separate system. You if you chose the right components you will then then have live hydraulics that operate at "normal" pressure and flow to be compatible with about anything you will be using that size tractor for.

If you are hydraulically challenged you should either go the simple route or find someone that has actually done one from scratch and knows exactly what you need. I modified two D-17s to front pumps and 2 spool valves but that was close to 50 years ago and I bought the pumps,mounts and drives from Allis Chalmers.

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