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Allis Chalmers plow and cultivator ID.

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HWS1020

04-30-2017 17:51:59




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Hi Everyone,
I am new to Allis tractors and equipment. After purchasing a D-17 still with it's Snap Coupler hitch I have located a Snap Coupler plow. It is a 3 bottom, 14". I'm pretty sure it's a good combination for the tractor and my needs. I'm just not sure how to tell what model or series it may be. I have located a few different manuals on eBay but I don't want to buy a bunch of manuals before I finally get the right one. I have also purchased a Snap Coupler cultivator attachment. I think it would be classified as a field cultivator. If anyone can take a look at the attached photos and head me in the right direction as far as models or have any other info would be very helpful. If anyone is interested, the young man I bought this plow from also had a heavier 4 bottom plow that was listed on the craigslist under the Rochester NY page. Thanks to anyone who replies.

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wellmax99

05-06-2017 12:53:58




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 Re: Allis Chalmers plow and cultivator ID. in reply to HWS1020, 04-30-2017 17:51:59  
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HWS,
the cultivator may be classed as a field cultivator,

attached is a picture of one I have, AC field cultivator painted red, however the snap couple hitch has been cut off and a 3pt hitch added. It does a fine job of breaking up the soil a good tool to have buy one if you can.

The other pictures I attached are of an AC field cultivator that still has it's snap couple hitch. again they are very good implements, that large spring on each shank will vibrate and help bust up the soil,

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Aaron SEIA

05-05-2017 15:17:55




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 Re: Allis Chalmers plow and cultivator ID. in reply to HWS1020, 04-30-2017 17:51:59  
Guess it's possible. I've seen a picture of it. For that to happen 2 things have to fail. The snap coupler bell has to unhook itself AND the lift latches have to stay closed. Nearly impossible for the bell to unhook on it's own. If the lift latches are working properly they should open upon any vertical force and come unhooked. That takes any leverage away.

AaronSEIA



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wgm

05-03-2017 12:47:28




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 Re: Allis Chalmers plow and cultivator ID. in reply to HWS1020, 04-30-2017 17:51:59  
Isn't it possible for the front bottom hit an obstruction on a snap coupler plow and flip forward and hit the operator either causing injury or death?



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maxwell99

05-06-2017 14:33:49




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 Re: Allis Chalmers plow and cultivator ID. in reply to wgm, 05-03-2017 12:47:28  
Wgm, answer yes its possible and I have heard of it but no first hand experience,
Just like any piece of equipment it must be maintained,

If you let the end ball joints on a 3 point hitch lift arm wear thin they can break out letting your implement go crossways any start crawling up the rear tire right after you, happened to my friend on a MF 135 torn the lift arm, rear fender, pto shaft and rear tire to pieces before he got it stopped,
SCARED 5 years growth out of him just a little more and he could have been injured or killed,

Key on a old AC is be sure that snap couple hook is in top shape all springs bolts tight and in good repair no loose connections,

I used them for years and never had one come loose, but I was told by my AC dealer to keep a good watch on it and keep it in good repair,
I had all kinds of snap couple equipment, hardest on hitch I think was the old heavy disc plow, that thing hit a root, rock and all heck would take place but it would go over it or flip it out, one heck of a plow,

I

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HWS1020

05-02-2017 17:21:31




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 Re: Allis Chalmers plow and cultivator ID. in reply to HWS1020, 04-30-2017 17:51:59  
I haven't had a chance to look the plow over to find and record any part numbers. I did order a manual. I hope to see that shortly. I located a parts manual and I'm thinking of ordering it. I thought the shins were a little unusual.
Paging through some eBay listing I may have figured out the field cultivator. It appears to be a model WD. With any luck the manual I ordered is right. Thanks for all the in put from everyone.

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turklilley

05-01-2017 20:04:17




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 Re: Allis Chalmers plow and cultivator ID. in reply to HWS1020, 04-30-2017 17:51:59  
I don't remember the number of the plow, but I had one just like it at one time. It was unique in that the lift link on the right side could be turned upside down to start the first furrow.



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WNYBill

05-01-2017 04:51:50




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 Re: Allis Chalmers plow and cultivator ID. in reply to HWS1020, 04-30-2017 17:51:59  
Where would I find a replacement bottom or just a moldboard like those?

Bill



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chad (MN)

05-02-2017 05:12:33




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 Re: Allis Chalmers plow and cultivator ID. in reply to WNYBill, 05-01-2017 04:51:50  
AC made many different numbered bottoms that would fit on various series of plows. Without knowing the number of the bottom, it will be more difficult to find shares or shins. Your plow seems to have aftermarket shins to help roll the furrow over so to find those, you would need to know the manufacturer. Based on the approximate age of the plow the bottom numbers could be 362 or 363 models but the plow might be new enough to have 375 bottoms. Anything left of the stickers on the back of the moldboards? That is where the numbers would be located. I would check with Dave the Plowman on the other AC forum for any wear parts you might need.

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chad (MN)

04-30-2017 18:38:13




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 Re: Allis Chalmers plow and cultivator ID. in reply to HWS1020, 04-30-2017 17:51:59  
The plow is a model 83 (80 series, 3 bottoms). 80 series had the spring latch mechanism for tripping the bottoms when you hit rocks. Someone has installed small flat bars bolted just above the spring brackets so the bottoms won't release right now if you were to hit a rock. D-17 should pull that plow just about anywhere. The field cultivator is older than your D-17 (more the WD/WD-45 era) and may not have a model number. Someone else will need to chime in on that one.

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BushogPapa

05-01-2017 00:25:59




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 Re: Allis Chalmers plow and cultivator ID. in reply to chad (MN), 04-30-2017 18:38:13  

I have NEVER seen that type of "Jointer" on ANY Plow....but if NOT Rusty, O bet they work just fine...

I do think the Coulter will work a good deal better if it is flipped over...

Hope you have read my advice to take the surface rust of those wearing parts..??

4 1/2" Angle Grinder, using the THIN Cut-off wheels for cutting steel..

Hold at a 30 degree angle to the steel and move it as if it were a Putty knife..( Mask and Safety Glasses ofcourse)..

Will not harm the steel and the black color inder the rust will scour off easily..

Use a fine grit Flapper Wheel to make it pretty and to Bust some Clods..!!

Depending on your local soil conditions, your D-17 probably would pull that 4x14 Plow...Here in Central Ohio, Dad and I both pulled ( and still have) the 4x14 Semi-Mounted AC Plow with our WD-45's. His came with his tractor..( 1957 ).

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Traditional Farmer

05-01-2017 05:25:17




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 Re: Allis Chalmers plow and cultivator ID. in reply to BushogPapa, 05-01-2017 00:25:59  
In my area in red clay any surface rust on a plow is gone in about 100 yards of plowing.



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BushogPapa

05-05-2017 14:18:19




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 Re: Allis Chalmers plow and cultivator ID. in reply to Traditional Farmer, 05-01-2017 05:25:17  
NOT here...you would be ALL DAY, using a putty knife, scraping stuck soil off the rust or it would NEVER scour...and all the while you would be doing a very poor job of plowing..

Central, Ohio..



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