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Where to get Allis engine parts

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Eric Allen

03-17-2017 19:22:20




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Hi
I am rebuilding a Allis D-14, new clutch and engine rebuild, not sure if I should get sleeves yet, but for sure top and bottom end and clutch. Where is the best place to get that stuff? Is this site best? Or dealer? Or somewhere else? Just wondering what your experience is happy to support this site but want to get a decent deal and get good parts. Thanks any info you can share helps a lot, first rebuild. Thanks
Eric

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BUSHNELLMAN

03-31-2017 05:36:24




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 Re: Where to get Allis engine parts in reply to Eric Allen, 03-17-2017 19:22:20  
Like has been said take your time don't skimp, and do a thorough job cleaning! Especially with cleaning the seats for your sleeves, don't be afraid to go back and do it over if you feel it isn't right.

If you're like me the more time you've got into it the more your gonna enjoy this rebuild, and you'll be able to find all the help you need here, for the mechanics side and the parts side!

Take your time and enjoy!

bushnellman

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BushogPapa

03-31-2017 08:33:03




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 Re: Where to get Allis engine parts in reply to BUSHNELLMAN, 03-31-2017 05:36:24  
USE Permatex #2 Non-Hardening Sealer to install the Sleeves AND Coat the entire area BETWEEN the sleeves with it at the same time..it WILL eliminate seaping problems later, should a web crack between liners.. Coat the back side of every Freeze plug with it also to prevent future rust..



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M Nut

03-19-2017 07:09:45




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 Re: Where to get Allis engine parts in reply to Eric Allen, 03-17-2017 19:22:20  
This site is a great place, and support for them is always encouraged. If they can't meet your needs, I have bought several engine rebuild kits from a place called SE tractor parts. They have a website. Prices fair and parts good.



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Eric Allen

03-19-2017 07:54:37




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 Re: Where to get Allis engine parts in reply to M Nut, 03-19-2017 07:09:45  
yep I dont mind supporting them at all, just wondering what people with experience thought



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D beatty

03-18-2017 20:50:30




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 Re: Where to get Allis engine parts in reply to Eric Allen, 03-17-2017 19:22:20  
If you go to the upper left corner of this page and click on Allis Chalmers they have piston sleeve kits there.



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DrAllis

03-18-2017 20:21:34




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 Re: Where to get Allis engine parts in reply to Eric Allen, 03-17-2017 19:22:20  
You need what us old guys call a "motor kit". This includes four new "wet-sleeves", new pistons, new rings and new piston pins. New sleeves with old pistons are a complete waste of time and $$$$$$$$$$$$.



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Eric Allen

03-19-2017 08:05:58




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 Re: Where to get Allis engine parts in reply to DrAllis, 03-18-2017 20:21:34  
Why is that? I didnt realize I might need pistons. I think I have a broken ring. I did a compression test and then added a bit of oil to each cylinder and retested and they all came up but the front one less than the others, meaning rings are worn and the front one maybe cracked as I understand it. I once found ice in the oil pan and another time found water in my cylinders after a rainstorm(clean water not antifreeze) and discovered the exhaust manifold was rotted and water could get in if it was parked right, so I think one of the rings got cracked from freezing. Who knows, yeah its tricky because I have no idea what I need but my mechanic doesnt want it clogging up his shop too long and my local tractor shops charge 100. per hr so they would be too much labor for the savings in parts gathering haha. Anyway, new to this trying to save a beautiful old tractor and welcoming all this help thankyou

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BushogPapa

03-31-2017 08:38:34




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 Re: Where to get Allis engine parts in reply to Eric Allen, 03-19-2017 08:05:58  
If you look at many older Cast Iron in-line engine blocks, you WILL see that the FRONT Cylinder Wears TOWARD the Front.( !!)..that would be Toward the Cooler incoming coolant..



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D beatty

03-18-2017 07:22:27




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 Re: Where to get Allis engine parts in reply to Eric Allen, 03-17-2017 19:22:20  
Lookup Abilene Machine or Schmidt & Sons. Both are out of Kansas and they both have online web sites.



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Eric Allen

03-18-2017 16:02:40




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 Re: Where to get Allis engine parts in reply to D beatty, 03-18-2017 07:22:27  
thanks very much!



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Bob Bancroft

03-18-2017 03:32:15




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 Re: Where to get Allis engine parts in reply to Eric Allen, 03-17-2017 19:22:20  
Usually some engine/machine shop service is necessary for an engine rebuild. Since their work will involve some new parts, they have no incentive to sell junk. Most would like to sell some parts. On a business sense, from the vendors side, not all service jobs are rewarding. Being able to sell some parts and see some profit helps to keep them in business.

Believe me, I don't know anyone who does repair work who likes to see a customer come lugging parts in from who-knows-where, demanding they be used.

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Eric Allen

03-18-2017 16:02:12




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 Re: Where to get Allis engine parts in reply to Bob Bancroft, 03-18-2017 03:32:15  
Actually my local regular mechanic is going to do it for me and he doesnt want to deal with ordering anything so asked me to



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Jr1983

03-18-2017 02:54:39




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 Re: Where to get Allis engine parts in reply to Eric Allen, 03-17-2017 19:22:20  
Definently get sleeves. Waste of effort not to. Clean up counter bores and replace liner orings as well. if you don't you'll end up with coolant in the crankcase.



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Eric Allen

03-18-2017 16:06:02




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 Re: Where to get Allis engine parts in reply to Jr1983, 03-18-2017 02:54:39  
thats to mean the sleeves have liners? Oh ok I didnt realize the sleeves needed replacing. Thanks very much, I want to do everything it needs and never have to worry again. Poor ol girl smokes so bad when it starts you have to get away for a few minutes and then it stops but you can still taste it and smell it in the exhaust and makes my clothes smell awful and burns my eyes. I grew up with this tractor tho and its got so many memories of riding with dad mowing hay all day, I just want to keep her goin and workin

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BushogPapa

03-31-2017 08:41:07




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 Re: Where to get Allis engine parts in reply to Eric Allen, 03-18-2017 16:06:02  
That is the NICE thing about these engines...the Sleeves can be replaced...making the engine infinitely rebuild-able..!!



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DGinVT

03-22-2017 12:13:50




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 Re: Where to get Allis engine parts in reply to Eric Allen, 03-18-2017 16:06:02  
Don't SKIMP. Disassemble entire engine and clean the parts or have someone put it in a strong automotive cleaner. We used to have a cleaner bath and when did an engine, all parts, came out clean. The cleaned parts were then layout on a bench. At that time ALL necessary new parts were order from our supplier and put in the engine. This work included crank shaft grinding, doing the oil pump with a Mullin oil replacement kit. Bearings were replaced as well as cam shaft bearings, piston rings, etc. At our shop, LaFrancois & Chamberlain in Rutland VT. The firm would guarantee our work for at least six months. Any who came back and said after our work was completed and out the door I did "this or that", because I thought it might run or sound better lost the warentee. We also did carburetors and magnetos , but only to the extent that our work and parts was limited to the repair kits that we put in that machine.
Many people think they can skinby, But if you want a good job you do the whole things. When I worked there over 60+ years, the was the owners policy and they were there to defend it. It was amazing the reputation the firm had as then we did a lot of antique engines from cars, tractors and trucks as well as some stationary engines.

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