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190XT Transmission/differential problem??

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Chalmers190XT

03-18-2015 09:00:55




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I'm having a recent problem with my 190xt and it seems to be getting more frequent quickly, when I am in a forward gear and stop to switch to reverse it goes into reverse fine but the left drive wheel hangs uo like it stuck in a bind and won't roll backwards, you have to go back forward and play with it a little and then it will let go, does anyone known what might be causing this? Are there any typical problems that have these symptoms? Any help would be great, i really need this tractor and can't afford to have it broke down

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Traditional Farmer

03-18-2015 10:57:44




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 Re: 190XT Transmission/differential problem?? in reply to Chalmers190XT, 03-18-2015 09:00:55  
Check the brake on that side.



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Chalmers190XT

03-18-2015 11:01:02




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 Re: 190XT Transmission/differential problem?? in reply to Traditional Farmer, 03-18-2015 10:57:44  
it doesn't so much feel like a brake dragging it feels like a gear bind and if you play with the clutch a little bit back and forth or if you go back forward and then try again you know a few times then all of a sudden it will let go but if you force it if you let the clutch out and keep pushing on it itll bust loose with a loud pop it sounds really bad you know it sounds like a like a gear popping loose, I wasn't sure if it might be an issue with the final drive on that side or what because you have your differential in the middle and then your "axle tubes" tge square parts, that come off both sides those are your final drives right and those have separate oil then the differential
This post was edited by Chalmers190XT at 11:06:04 03/18/15.

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Traditional Farmer

03-18-2015 11:13:31




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 Re: 190XT Transmission/differential problem?? in reply to Chalmers190XT, 03-18-2015 11:01:02  
The balls hanging up in the disc brakes will make it act just as you described



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Chalmers190XT

03-18-2015 11:19:38




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 Re: 190XT Transmission/differential problem?? in reply to Traditional Farmer, 03-18-2015 11:13:31  
Ah gotcha, are those brakes serviceable without removing the wheel? Can you access the housing? So do the balls just need to be freed up and lubricated?



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old

03-18-2015 11:30:04




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 Re: 190XT Transmission/differential problem?? in reply to Chalmers190XT, 03-18-2015 11:19:38  
If your not to big of a person yes you can get to the brakes pretty easy. It is a tight fit. I know since I have the brakes on both sides of a XT190 taken apart right now waiting on parts to show up. The right side is a bit hared to do then the left side due to the hyd controls etc. Has a 4 bolt plate you remove and then it gets a tad bit hard to pull the plate off then your right at the brake disk and bands. If you have to replace parts hold on the your back pocket because they can cost a good bit. Bands are around $40 each and the disk parts are in the $150-250 range depending on where you get them New balls from AGCO are $44 or at least that is the cost I found

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Chalmers190XT

03-18-2015 11:34:54




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 Re: 190XT Transmission/differential problem?? in reply to old, 03-18-2015 11:30:04  
well the brakes on this don't feel like they work very well not necessarily that they are worn out but that they aren't actually eating you press the pedal down and its almost immediately just hard and Phirm but you don't really get much brake power very little but have to put a lot of effort on the table so it's sounding to me like the internal parts of the brake assembly that move are probably bound up and need to be freed up and lubricated would I be correct in assuming this

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old

03-18-2015 11:47:37




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 Re: 190XT Transmission/differential problem?? in reply to Chalmers190XT, 03-18-2015 11:34:54  
The way these brakes work is you have a set of bands that stop a drum which in turn cause the balls to ride up on ramps and that in turn causes the disk to spread out and then rub the side plate you have to remove and the housing which in turn causes the braking action. Common for the balls to get dirty and hang up so the disk does not drop back like they should. There are 2 springs on each disk drum assembly that you have to unhook to get o the balls to clean them up. If the balls have flat spots on them they need to be replaced. If you need I can take pictures of them

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Chalmers190XT

03-18-2015 12:51:48




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 Re: 190XT Transmission/differential problem?? in reply to old, 03-18-2015 11:47:37  
That would be great if you could take some pics of the assembly for me so I can see how it works before I tear it apart, thank you very much I appreciate your help, I'm a diesel mechanic but dont know much about these tractors right off hand



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old

03-18-2015 14:23:49




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 Re: 190XT Transmission/differential problem?? in reply to Chalmers190XT, 03-18-2015 12:51:48  
At one time I owned an XT190 diesel picked it up cheap due to the fact the engine was locked up. Pulled the injectors and filled it with turpentine and it freed right up. The problem was the shaft seals in the injector pump and a couple other things in the pump. Cost me around $800 to have the pump rebuilt. Ran good after that and used very little fuel for it size. Traded it off due the the fact it was to big for my 44 acres of land

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03-18-2015 13:14:26




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 Re: 190XT Transmission/differential problem?? in reply to Chalmers190XT, 03-18-2015 12:51:48  
Do you by chance have the I-T AC-202 manual??? If you do on page 61 fig. 118 shows the brakes. If you do not have it I'll try to send you pictures or if you e-mail me I can scan that page which might help more then just a picture. My e-mail is open and since I own the manual would be easy to scan and then seen to you



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Chalmers190XT

03-18-2015 13:45:57




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 Re: 190XT Transmission/differential problem?? in reply to old, 03-18-2015 13:14:26  
I do have a service manula, not sure which one but it covers the 190, but ya if you could email me the page you have an any blocs that would be great wyotekker88@yahoo.com



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