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Allis C sleeve install

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andyin ct

02-22-2014 03:19:24




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The service manual says to use white lead on O-rings. Never heard of white lead. What is the best thing to use? Push straight down or twist? Hold them down with a bolt and washers so they don't pop out till the head is on? Use any kind of sealer on them? Thanks




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Mike(NEOhio)

02-22-2014 15:59:37




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 Re: Allis C sleeve install in reply to andyin ct, 02-22-2014 03:19:24  
Oh, and about the white lead. I haven't seen that stuff for years. It's an off-white colored heavy paste. Used to be used in paints and in machine shops as a tapping and reaming lube. Best stuff ever for thread cutting in stringy, hard to machine steels. Toxic, of course. In this case it would lubricate and help to seal the sleeves. Seal ring should seal without any help.



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Mike(NEOhio)

02-22-2014 14:28:32




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 Re: Allis C sleeve install in reply to andyin ct, 02-22-2014 03:19:24  
I just got a set of cylinder kits for a Buda this week. Instructions say to wash them thoroughly with hot water an detergent. They look perfectly clean but I'll do it anyway. The bores are honed and that can leave some abrasive behind. Can't be too clean when there's that much cost involved.



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Mike(NEOhio)

02-22-2014 14:31:10




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 Re: Allis C sleeve install in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 02-22-2014 14:28:32  
P.S.
Seals on a Buda go on the sleeves. In ACs the grooves are in the block. They'll be harder to clean so be diligent.



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Dick L

02-22-2014 16:10:33




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 Re: Allis C sleeve install in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 02-22-2014 14:31:10  
The seals go on the sleeves on the B, C, CA, RC and more. The o rings go in the block on the D-10 thru the D-15.

WC sleeve

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andyin ct

02-22-2014 05:21:12




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 Re: Allis C sleeve install in reply to andyin ct, 02-22-2014 03:19:24  
Okay - I have to finish cleaning the block and then I will check the fit of the sleeves.



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old

02-22-2014 08:44:42




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 Re: Allis C sleeve install in reply to andyin ct, 02-22-2014 05:21:12  
Yes clean and then clean again the bottom and top areas where the sleeves will go. The with out the o-rings on them test fit them to see if they fit right. I used Dawn dish soap on all the ones I installed. No bolt or any thing to hold them in they should fit tight enough to hold them self's in



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Mike(NEOhio)

02-22-2014 04:54:17




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 Re: Allis C sleeve install in reply to andyin ct, 02-22-2014 03:19:24  
Dick is right. Don't use anything petroleum-based. I'll add: be sure the seal grooves and lower bores are perfectly clean, no burrs, and the seals don't get twisted when the sleeves go in.



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Dick L

02-22-2014 03:42:10




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 Re: Allis C sleeve install in reply to andyin ct, 02-22-2014 03:19:24  
Most use liquid dish soap. Something water based that is slippery is what most will say.

Remember that the sleeve must be able to drop all the way down and be able to turn by hand without the o rings before trying to install with o rings.



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