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WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter

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orionsrx

06-17-2012 10:25:29




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I dont understand why everyone always says that the best way to tell a WD from a WD45 is the straight shifter! In a world where we didn't have people that try to make an extra buck at their fellow humans expense this might work. That world doesn't exist so the only way to properly tell is the tractor and the engine serial numbers, period! I bought a WD that had the shifter changed and WD45 decals added to try to pass it off as something it wasn't. This happens with muscle cars all the time. So to all of you who are new to the wonderful world of Allis Chalmers, do your homework! check the numbers!

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orionsrx

06-25-2012 18:12:24




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
did you send it to orionsrx@charter.net ?



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orionsrx

06-23-2012 09:24:29




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
haven't got it yet



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Red Ranger

06-25-2012 15:33:47




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-23-2012 09:24:29  
Tried again 6-25-12, Steve



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Steve Carlton

06-25-2012 15:33:01




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-23-2012 09:24:29  
Tried again 6-25-12, Steve



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red ranger

06-22-2012 18:00:02




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
Orionsrx, I believe I know your tractor, from years ago, I've sent you an e-mail. . . Steve



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tomstractorsandtoys1

06-21-2012 17:10:02




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
The best way is to look at the engine block.All WD tractors had a metal plate that covered the whole right side of the motor.If it has a crooked shifter and no plate on the block then it is a WD45.Crooked shifter and a block plate and it is a very late WD.



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Bill_MN

06-20-2012 19:06:55




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
the plate on your block is a repair, probably a big crack or hole underneath, the plate is covering most of your engine serial number too, should be six digits: WD XXXXXX PA



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orionsrx

06-18-2012 15:14:56




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
According to the serial #, (145783), my WD is a 1953, there is a small plate on the left side of the engine, what is this plate? and the engine serial # is 42 GA.



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orionsrx

06-18-2012 15:22:42




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-18-2012 15:14:56  
third party image

here is a pic of the left side of the engine that is in my 53 WD



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orionsrx

06-18-2012 15:06:03




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
According to the serial #, (145783), my WD is a 1953, there is a small plate on the left side of the engine, what is this plate? and the engine serial # is 42 GA. I would upload photo but not sure how [/img]



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orionsrx

06-18-2012 14:57:53




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
The transmissions are different but the shifters, other than being curved, are the same and interchangeable.Try it!



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Bevan

06-18-2012 12:37:11




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
I knew a guy who put Series III D17 decals on a Series 1 to pass it off for better money. Same guy just put WD45 decals on a WD. There is a sucker born every minute. Serial numbers for me.



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Butch(OH)

06-18-2012 07:53:22




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
Heck dont think for a minute that this is a new thing. I am quite a long ways on the far side of 50 and it was common as far back as I can remember to upgrade the value of a WD with a set of decals. Good thing is knowldedge and facts on how to tell them apart are a lot easier to get then 30 years ago! All most people knew when I was young was to look at the shifter and look at the engine block, not many people had serial number referances in the 60s or 70s.

The guys here talking about parts switching is true, hard to tell what you have unless you know the unit from new. One of my favorite WD-45 storys comes from a cheapo buddy who called to crow about his WD-45 diesel buy of the century. Was cheap alright, but had been changed over to a gas engine at some point and later (so the story went) the rear end went out so they had swapped it out for another one from a gasser. All he had of a 45D was a frame rail with the dimple for the injection pump, a metal feul bowl and a hood with a gage pod but by gawd he owned a 45D and didnt pay much for it. LOL.

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Tramway Guy

06-18-2012 07:33:09




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
Don't forget, the WF was built into 1951, and shared many parts with the WC.



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JMS/.MN

06-17-2012 22:25:05




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
The straight shifter says the back half is a WD. Even the original 201 WD block can be hopped up with factory parts to match WD45 hp. Late 1952, WD 127008 had the curved shifter, constant mesh gears. WD was built into early 1953, then the WD45 with 226 engine came out. sn 146,607. Tractors are virtually the same weight, features, etc, but WD45 hand clutch had three plates, not two, like WD.

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Harry J. Case

06-17-2012 18:14:02




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 WD-WD45 in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
Our neighbor bought a new WD early in 1953, it had the curved shift handle and the constant mesh tranny. He was a little bit upset a few months later when the WD45 came out. Said the dealer knew the 45 was coming and sold him the obsolete tractor anyway. Guess you can't please everybody all the time.



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ILLEFTY

06-17-2012 13:34:53




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
Dad bought his WD new in 1952 and it doesn't have a serial #. Tractor is all original rearend has never been changed.



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ACEd

06-17-2012 14:57:29




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to ILLEFTY, 06-17-2012 13:34:53  
Thought I too had a WD without s/n but finally found it stamped into top by left brake cover - have also heard since then of tractors with s/n on raised edge but under brake cover on left side.



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rogerdoger-plowboy

06-17-2012 11:21:55




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
some of the late WDs had a curved shifter



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orionsrx

06-17-2012 10:36:45




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
Yes, I know, I guess I was just venting. I finally got my WD45, all original from the original owner. So I am at peace. :D



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old

06-17-2012 11:00:45




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:36:45  
I have a WD45 with a straight shifter on it. But the serial number and engine say it is a WD45 but the shifter says WD. Seen many a tractor painted up or some sort of thing to hide what they really are. Saw a Ford 860 at and auction with decals for a Ford 4000 on it and I made sure they auctioneer knew exactly what it was and I then got the fun of driving it around loading up stuff for people and showing the new owner how to drive it and all

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old

06-17-2012 10:31:03




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to orionsrx, 06-17-2012 10:25:29  
Ah but even the serial number can lie. Easy to change out the rear end and then it could be a WD/WD45. I have also seen WD engines in a WD45 tractor and of course the other way around. Shoot my W Speed Patrol had a WD45 engine in it and it should have been a WC engine instead but it now has a WD engine in it but that is the same engine as the WC



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JMS/.MN

06-17-2012 22:16:04




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to old, 06-17-2012 10:31:03  
old- the W patrol was built 1940-1942, then again from 1945-1950. In 1948, AC came out with the 226 power unit- ie, same as a WD45 engine. Could be some overlap there, even tho the W was based on a WC frame. Maybe engineering decided to try out their new invention, the 226- before releasing it in massive production numbers in a tractor? Other odd thing is.....AC made the WC into early 1948, before the WD, so did they have WC frames til "50 to make the patrols?

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old

06-18-2012 08:17:15




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to JMS/.MN, 06-17-2012 22:16:04  
Well I know this W Speed Patrol I have had an engine swap before I got it I knew the guy who did the engine swap. As for the frame rails I bet they had or still made them just for the Speed Patrol since if they didn't they would have had to have extra holes in the frame since the transmissions of the WD and WC are different



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Tim(nj)

06-17-2012 13:15:08




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to old, 06-17-2012 10:31:03  
And then there's the occasional WD45 that has a Gleaner E combine engine in it . . . .



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60 acre hillside

06-17-2012 16:45:04




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 Re: WD or WD45, don't rely on the shifter in reply to Tim(nj), 06-17-2012 13:15:08  
All of the comments are true but you cannot just replace the straight lever with the curved. The transmisions are quite different. I jad a very good WD with the curved lever and liked it as well as if it would have been a WD45. I did not need the extra power as I had bigger tractors



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