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Desert Rancher

11-14-2011 18:36:16




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Was given a D 17 that has been sitting for about 2 yrs. Ran fine (so I"m told) when retired. Put in new fluids and fuel. Fuel tank was empty. Engine (gas) turns over and all 4 plugs seem to spark pretty hot. First 3 plugs are not fouled or wet, but very dry as if they are not getting fuel. Had 2 valves stuck (intake & exhaust cylinder #2), but they quickly came loose. All seem to work freely now. Only fires on #4 cylinder. Tractor will not start. Any ideas as to the problem or how to proceed? Any advice would be great, Thanks

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ACEd

11-16-2011 15:45:31




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 Re: Starting retired D17 in reply to Desert Rancher, 11-14-2011 18:36:16  
Dry plugs 1-3 means no fuel to those cylinders - look for crud in intake manifold - rat nest or dirt dobers or ??? Or stuck valves - but unlikely all 3 cyl intakes stuck and not bent or free by now.



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Desert Rancher

11-16-2011 15:11:41




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 Re: Starting retired D17 in reply to Desert Rancher, 11-14-2011 18:36:16  
Thanks everyone for the tips and advice. I hope to get back to it in a few days. I"ll post any updates and surprises. Thanks again and have a great Thanksgiving



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Gordon in IN

11-16-2011 08:34:18




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 Re: Starting retired D17 in reply to Desert Rancher, 11-14-2011 18:36:16  
You might want to check the spark plug wires for the correct firing order. Number 4 might be the only one that is correct.



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Tim in OR

11-15-2011 19:26:09




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 Re: Starting retired D17 in reply to Desert Rancher, 11-14-2011 18:36:16  
I've got an old 'C' thats been waiting for time and money to get back into running shape. when I need to move it, I pull the plugs, put it in gear and crank the crank. That way it stays loose, and I can reliably move it without needing help. Perhaps you could get enough hydraulic pressure to do the same.
Tim in OR



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Desert Rancher

11-14-2011 19:26:47




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 Re: Starting retired D17 in reply to Desert Rancher, 11-14-2011 18:36:16  
Stuck rings...Hmm, Never thought of that. Sure sounds like the ticket, though. Almost feel silly for not figuring that out. Many, many, thanks. Was going to run a compression test on it when I get back to where its sitting. Any ideas of what "good" compression would be? Sure appreciate your time and advice.



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steve(ill)

11-15-2011 18:53:08




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 Re: Starting retired D17 in reply to Desert Rancher, 11-14-2011 19:26:47  
"hope" you get over 90 psi.
110 is possible.



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steve(ill)

11-14-2011 18:54:08




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 Re: Starting retired D17 in reply to Desert Rancher, 11-14-2011 18:36:16  
i agree--- compression test, then rebuild carb.



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old

11-14-2011 18:50:04




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 Re: Starting retired D17 in reply to Desert Rancher, 11-14-2011 18:36:16  
#1 fill the cylinders with ATF and let it sit a few days. One that has been parked for very long will have sticking rings and that causes low compression and that in turn causes a no start up. Next double check the points and the point gap. Also you have a good chance that you have a clog main jet in the carb so a carb rebuild will most likely be a big help also. I only buy dead tractor so I can buy them cheap and fix them which is a hobby of mine

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Desert Rancher

11-14-2011 19:31:52




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 Re: Starting retired D17 in reply to old, 11-14-2011 18:50:04  
Thanks, you guys. You've been great help



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old

11-14-2011 19:36:19




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 Re: Starting retired D17 in reply to Desert Rancher, 11-14-2011 19:31:52  
I have a D-17 that runs real good but when I got it the poor thing had what seemed to be a mouse next in 3 of the 4 cylinders. I did the ATF and all for 3 or 4 times and slowly got it to fire on one cylinder then 2 till it fired on all 4. Now it runs great and I use it to bale hay most years



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Desert Rancher

11-15-2011 05:22:19




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 Re: Starting retired D17 in reply to old, 11-14-2011 19:36:19  
This tractor has a loader and a blade on it. It's in a tight spot where I can't get to it to get it out of there without tearing things up without it moving under its own power. There isn't much farming done out here, but we have several miles of bad dirt road and a bucket is always handy around the ranch. Especially if you don't have one. I'll keep you posted and maybe bend your ear again when I get to the next hurdle.

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old

11-15-2011 11:22:59




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 Re: Starting retired D17 in reply to Desert Rancher, 11-15-2011 05:22:19  
If you can pull the plugs out and then put it in a low gear you maybe able to mve it 10-20 feet to get it so you can work on it. I have loaded many a tractor that way



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Desert Rancher

11-20-2011 05:59:36




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 Re: Starting retired D17 in reply to old, 11-15-2011 11:22:59  
Got a chance to try the tractor again after having it set with some ATF in the cylinders. It came to life. Missed a little on one cylinder for a bit, but eventually hit smooth and hard on all four. Ran like a top! Re-checked compression and was 100psi or better all the way across. Many thanks for all the help from everyone. You all and this tractor is a huge blessing. Happy Thanksgiving



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old

11-20-2011 09:03:19




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 Re: Starting retired D17 in reply to Desert Rancher, 11-20-2011 05:59:36  
Always happy to help if and when I can



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