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JD 70 vs wd45

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BUZZUCA

10-31-2011 18:23:28




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sixtyninegmc

11-04-2011 20:39:53




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to BUZZUCA, 10-31-2011 18:23:28  
Ohio, I`ve got a question for you, and I don`t intend to argue, I realize I`m on an Allis forum so I really shouldn`t try to defend John Deere. What is it that you did not like about the 4020? I guess I would like to know if it was just the color, or what it might have been. Just know before you answer that you will not convince me they are not a good tractor, I have spent many hours on them and love them(I like all old tractors, regardless of color), I just would like to hear the facts of your experience.

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ohio

11-05-2011 15:14:10




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to sixtyninegmc, 11-04-2011 20:39:53  
I didn't say they wern't ok, I just said that after all the hype I'd been exposed to, When I finally got on one to work ground, It wasn't as powerful as other 95 hp tractors that had turbo's, and cost much less. I'll be nice and not say anything of my experience with "10" series Deeres.

The syncrorange transmission is the worst setup I've ever had the misfortune to run. Bar none. Most everone else has some partial range power shift. T/A, Power Director, Hydraul-shift, what have you.

The 4040 I ran had powershift, but no whistle, and a 1955 Oliver with the same cultimulcher would run circles around it. And did. For 25% of the $.

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sixtyninegmc

11-05-2011 17:05:17




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to ohio, 11-05-2011 15:14:10  
Thanks for the response, I really wasn`t trying to defend them, just wondering what your experience is. I really don`t mind the synchro-range, on the other hand it drives my dad nuckin futs. We are eyeballing two powershift 4020s, though. I guess in my mind the JD powershift restores any lost respect fo the company, I love `em 8)
This post was edited by sixtyninegmc at 17:05:52 11/05/11.

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rankrank1

11-04-2011 20:04:35




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to BUZZUCA, 10-31-2011 18:23:28  
I have my flamesuit on for this one in advance, but the ergonomics on a WD or WD45 are simply terrible. I went and looked at a nicely priced WD45 about 1.5 months ago. I really wanted to add it to my collection as I am a huge fan of Allis engines. Took my about 15 minutes to decide that a WD45 is not for me. I feel sorry for anyone who had to ride that thing for 10-12 hours a day for weeks on end back when they were a common worker tractor on the farm.

I have never run a 70 John Deere either, but have spent many hours on a JD 730 diesel, JD 720 diesel, JD 60, JD A, and JD B. I currently even own a JD A. I am not really a fan of the hand clutch or the put put sound of a 2cyl which can drive me nuts if I have to listen to it for many hours continuous. That all said, I can wear earplugs and be somewhat comfortable on a JD - no options at all for comfort on the AC WD.

Really, The choice would be easy for me if I had to spend 12 hours a day for days on end on a vintage tractor of the late 1940's or early 1950's. Give me either an Oliver 77 or a Farmall M. I do not own either one of these - although I may someday as I would like to expand my collection.
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ohio

11-05-2011 15:25:02




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to rankrank1, 11-04-2011 20:04:35  
I'm 6', and I have no trouble. I spend alot of time turned around watching the haybine, baler, rake, tedder, drill, ect. and my neck gets sore. It does if I'm in the cab of a CAT & I'm trying to watch what I'm doing. It's alot better to have a captians chair in a cab with heat & air, but it's alot better than ANY tractor without fenders, or a mile high vertically suspended seat, and a tiny platform. The new generations were comfortable. No arguement. But so was an Oliver 1950, or a Case c/k or a 190XT.

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79fordblake

11-04-2011 22:26:08




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to rankrank1, 11-04-2011 20:04:35  
What is so bad about the WD45? It has a seat with a shock absorber.....rides like a caddy if you ask me......and its easy to get on....I don't see why people think its not.

M Farmall is for the birds, lol.

We should all end the discussion....nobody is going to agree on anything....lol.....



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ohio

11-03-2011 14:12:55




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to BUZZUCA, 10-31-2011 18:23:28  
My most disapointing experiences with machinery:

First ride on a Harley- A twin cam 88. Slowest bike I've ever been on. Deere 60. Looked big & powerful. i guess the Nebraska tests don't lie.

First 4020 I run was a massive letdown, Then had the misfortune to run a 4040 after that. I don't care if i ever set foot on another green platform. The newer ones are about the same as everyone elses, but for all the hype the "classics" were a real letdown.

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buickanddeere

10-31-2011 20:12:59




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to BUZZUCA, 10-31-2011 18:23:28  
WD45 15 gallon tank, 3.80gph, 37.84 drawbar HP,43.21 pulley HP, pull weight 2,356lbs at 4.97mph, 3780lbs dry.
70 gasser 24 gallon tank, 4.5gph, 42.24 drawbar HP,48.29HP pulley, pull weight 3,539 lbs at 4.48mph,6,035 lbs dry.

Nebraska Test track results which I trust more than Bubba carrying a gas can.
Try connecting the ignition wire to the 2nd spark plug on the 70 and run your scientific test again.

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karl f

11-01-2011 12:57:55




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to buickanddeere, 10-31-2011 20:12:59  
just a general note about tractor tests: gallons per hour isn't the correct observation to judge efficiency. Take a 110hp diesel compared to a 60 hp gas--both will consume 5 gallons per hour under load yet much more work will have been done. Or a 20 hp 2 gallons an hour gas tractor compared to a 5 gallon an hour diesel--in 8 hours guess which one has the most land tilled. The figure that matters for efficiency is called horsepower hours per gallon. Our beloved classic tractors often are at 10 hp hrs/gal or less, while more modern tractors can get around 17 hp hrs/gal. 10 gallons an hour in a 2010 monster is getting a lot more work done.
Of course this is still all theory, just a way to explain why and how all the observations are happening. Get in the real world, and the green one works better for Farmer John, and the orange one is best for Farmer Al, even with identical land, crops, and equipment. As long as the guy is happy, no use arguing that he has the wrong stuff.
Although if in the business of farming today, you probably will care more about efficency and reliability more than whichever is prettiest.
:)

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Butch(OH)

11-03-2011 05:13:49




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to karl f, 11-01-2011 12:57:55  
"Get in the real world, and the green one works better for Farmer John, and the orange one is best for Farmer Al, even with identical land, crops, and equipment. As long as the guy is happy, no use arguing that he has the wrong stuff."

And that says it as well as it can be said.

When people start threads like that a person should wonder what the motive was to begin with? The old saying that a manure pile will continue to stink only if it gets stirred now and then most certanly apllies.

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JMS/.MN

10-31-2011 19:28:30




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to BUZZUCA, 10-31-2011 18:23:28  
Nothing but moronic replies,if you want to compare a WD45 to a JD 70! Totally different class of tractors. HP, weight, etc. Why even bring up a non-sensical combination- why not a JD 70 vs the AC WC? Now, compare a WD45 to a JD 60.......pretty much a similar class. Still will get some morons to reply. Put a 60 and a WD45 on a belt or pto load...see which one handles it better...



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ohio

11-03-2011 13:58:59




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to JMS/.MN, 10-31-2011 19:28:30  
I always wanted a 60......Until i used one. I think the 70 would just be a little more of something I don"t want.



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BushogPapa

11-02-2011 06:18:34




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to JMS/.MN, 10-31-2011 19:28:30  

NO, JMS, this WAS a JD 70...

I do not know, but assume it must have been an "All-Fuel" 70.. It could only pull a 3-14" and it had no Jointers or cover-boards.. He must have been in 1st gear a lot..I would pass him about every 2nd round in a 1/2 mile long field..NO KIDDIN...!! I wanted to turn some more RPM to it...NO room for it to pull-down before he had to drop a gear.. This was a JD 70 with a Fresh Valve-Job (he said)... It really LOOKED GOOD, and when discing had good duals on it..good paint..nice to look at..

I could NOT tell you how much fuel it could hold..we NEVER got it near the top...!!! We always figured the WD would hold 13 Gal.. JD "B" 10 to 12 Gal..

Sorry, Facts IS Facts...!! Ron..

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buickanddeere

10-31-2011 20:09:43




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to JMS/.MN, 10-31-2011 19:28:30  
Because "bushhogpappa" is certain that a WD45 can perform more work on less fuel than a 70 gasser.



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BushogPapa

11-01-2011 19:29:24




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to buickanddeere, 10-31-2011 20:09:43  
Well, YES, it WILL do it on LESS gas than a 70..hardy a gas tractor made that used more gas than a 70..!!



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79fordblake

11-02-2011 21:51:26




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to BushogPapa, 11-01-2011 19:29:24  
I don't know about everybody else....but the WD45 I have is easy on fuel even at full load.


You gotta have two tractors that run like they are supposed to before you can compare them.....maybe thats where some people are screwing up?

Most of the time when I'm at tractor shows the tractors that look the best run like crap...and the ones in their works clothes run flawless.



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BushogPapa

11-02-2011 22:00:29




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to 79fordblake, 11-02-2011 21:51:26  
How true..!!

And "Full Load" does not mean 1st gear, either...!!



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BushogPapa

11-02-2011 22:00:12




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to 79fordblake, 11-02-2011 21:51:26  
How true..!!

And "Full Load" does not mean 1st gear, either...!!



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BushogPapa

11-01-2011 19:28:07




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to buickanddeere, 10-31-2011 20:09:43  
Where did you get that, Buick.??

I compared a JD 60 to a WD-45..Who got off on the "70" kick..??

Get it straight...and YES, a good WD-45 will KICK a JD 60's BUTT working in the field..

Ron..



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d beatty

11-04-2011 21:50:27




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to BushogPapa, 11-01-2011 19:28:07  
We farmed with a 53-WD 45, 49-JD A,and 51-Farmall M. The WD-45 and JD-A would do the same amount work on about the same amount of fuel. The M would walk away from them but used a lot more fuel. But of the three I like the ride of the JD.I found the WD-45 beat the daylight out of you. I could ride the Deere all day and not be sore. At the end of the day with the WD-45 you were beat.



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BushogPapa

11-05-2011 18:29:09




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to d beatty, 11-04-2011 21:50:27  
I agree, it took some "Stuff" to sit on one all day and half the night..!!

Guess we just didn't know the difference..!! Always loved our 2 JD "B" tractors but the 45's would do twice the work of the "B", each..!

Back "in the day" the difference in price NEW between a JD 620 and a WD-45 was the price of our new Garage..!! About $1,400.oo Never looked back and never questioned what we ran..just got the job DONE..!! Now, I DO enjoy the JDs but I do like to drive a 45 and make it SNORT..!!

Ron..

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JMS/.MN

10-31-2011 21:26:03




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to buickanddeere, 10-31-2011 20:09:43  
I don"t know about bushhog papa, but I would never compare a WD45 to a JD 70- as I said, simply a different class. Just use your own figures....I don"t doubt them, frankly, I"d expect the JD 70 hp to be a bit higher. They certainly weighed more.........I remember a neighbor in similar soil, back in the late 50s, had a 70, pulled a 4 bottom, we pulled a 3-16..........duh..........more power/weight than ours. Other neighbor with a 60, we both pulled 3-16. Color wars are stupid, childish....We all know that various tractors don"t line up with same hp, weight, features, etc. It"s just what various mfgrs made back in the day. Each had advantages, disadvantages, etc. AC was generally a lighter, cheaper tractor, appealed to the smaller farmer.....sometimes not so handy features, but cost less. Perfect example- engage the belt pulley on a Farmall H, vs an AC WC. Farmall, move a lever; AC, move the pulley in the frame. Farmall was quicker, AC was slower and cheaper,....not as handy. Every tractor line had its own features, and each line filled a need back in the day. AC always had a rep for a strong engine with a snappy responsive governor that could carry the load- never heard that compliment about any other brand......will put that up against any similar 2 cyl of similar hp on the belt or pto. BTW- how many R JD"s chewed off the pto gears cuz they couldn"t handle the steady load with the putcha, putcha, putcha from the engine? Wasn"t their best example.

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ohio

11-03-2011 14:02:23




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 Re: JD 70 vs wd45 in reply to JMS/.MN, 10-31-2011 21:26:03  
I don't see anything being less "handy" than a 2 cyl. Deere.



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