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D15 Series II (2) hydraulic remotes.

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Uriah Ziegler

09-12-2011 08:34:43




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I am looking at a D15 Series II. I have not yet seen the tractor so I don't know what it has for hydraulics yet, but I am wondering if it only has 1 or 2 remotes can I upgrade to 4. I would like to pull my Hesston 5530 Baler, which has 4 remotes required. 2 for lifting and lowing, and 2 for left to right on the tie.

Does anyone know about the hydraulic system on this and how difficult and or expensive upgrading it may be? Thanks in advance.

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Uriah Ziegler

09-16-2011 07:34:16




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 Re: D15 Series II (2) hydraulic remotes. in reply to Uriah Ziegler, 09-12-2011 08:34:43  
I looked at it yesterday. Very nice clean I believe 1966 model via serial number. Manual said 2300 psi operating hydraulic system. It keeps calling my name to go to the auction for it to try and buy regardless of the hydraulics. Although it would be better if able to update.



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Bob Bancroft

09-16-2011 09:36:21




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 Re: D15 Series II (2) hydraulic remotes. in reply to Uriah Ziegler, 09-16-2011 07:34:16  
Being that late it would be more apt to have the hyd. options than an earlier one. If it does have the optional hyd. pump and/or valve stack it will be obvious. The optional pump was a gear pump mounted externally- where the belt pulley would have been. The optional valve stack would be obvious by the seat. Again- I have only ever seen either in the book. Best of luck.



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Robert Mull

09-13-2011 10:02:32




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 Re: D15 Series II (2) hydraulic remotes. in reply to Uriah Ziegler, 09-12-2011 08:34:43  
The early D-15 Series 2 had the low volume high pressure Hdy. Pumps. The late model D-15 series 2 had the lower pressure high volume Hdy. pump. I have an early model D-15 series 2.



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Uriah Ziegler

09-14-2011 02:08:26




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 Re: D15 Series II (2) hydraulic remotes. in reply to Robert Mull, 09-13-2011 10:02:32  
Thanks for the info.



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Bob Bancroft

09-14-2011 03:48:12




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 Re: D15 Series II (2) hydraulic remotes. in reply to Uriah Ziegler, 09-14-2011 02:08:26  
I believe that was an option. So be careful.



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JDseller

09-13-2011 00:33:50




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 Re: D15 Series II (2) hydraulic remotes. in reply to Uriah Ziegler, 09-12-2011 08:34:43  
A AC D15 is a poor choice for running remote cylinders. Like others have stated on here they have a low volume high pressure system. The Baler you are talking about is not designed that way.

Also it is only 40 PTO horse power that is on the low side for a round baler. You also have to use the hand clutch to stop and keep the PTO running.



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DiyDave

09-12-2011 16:21:36




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 Re: D15 Series II (2) hydraulic remotes. in reply to Uriah Ziegler, 09-12-2011 08:34:43  
D-15 would pull that baler, but here is the point to ponder. Hyd system that is standard, is a single remote, you can add a return line, but the hole that this line goes into the hyd compartment, becomes a limiting factor, along with the measly 4GPM pump, and the fact that you need actual pressure, downward, to positively latch the baler shut. You could belt or chain drive a pump off of the front of the crank, or run a shaft forward, to lovejoy couple to a pump, to the front of the tractor. All 3 options add about $500-1,000 to the price of the tractor, IF you can find used parts. You could do the same pump addy to the baler, cutting a pump into the driveline, but again $ is the limiting factor. If you can find a modern tractor, of 35 HP, or greater, with a single dual hose hydraulic remote, you can get an electric splitter valve, for about $500.00. Still a pain in the posterior, to operate. I pull my 5530, with a D-10 series 3 AC which has the remotes, but my baler only needs 1 set, due to it being a manual tie. Might have stumbled into half the answer, there...

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JMS/.MN

09-12-2011 11:18:26




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 Re: D15 Series II (2) hydraulic remotes. in reply to Uriah Ziegler, 09-12-2011 08:34:43  
I think you are asking for 4 remotes in a system that requires only 2. ie, 2 circuits of a double-acting system, each has a raise/lower function. Like Bob says, I"d look for a larger tractor to handle a round baler.



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Uriah Ziegler

09-13-2011 02:15:28




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 Re: D15 Series II (2) hydraulic remotes. in reply to JMS/.MN, 09-12-2011 11:18:26  
I am probably stating it wrong. There are 4 hoses which require 2 levers to operate the baler, so 2 circuits double acting sounds correct. Possibly the correct verbage would be 4 outlets? Thanks for the info. As for the power of the tractor it has plenty for this particular baler. I ran it this summer with a Kubota L3400 with 28.5 PTO horsepower. The baler says it requires 30 PTO and I'm sure the D-15 would have more than enough power for this small baler. The only question is modifying the hydralics - needing power left and power right for manual tie, as well as power up and power down on the tailgate. I will be looking at this tractor on Thursday to see what is there right now. Maybe it is closer to what I want - it is an estate auction tractor so I didn't bother asking too many questions on the phone.

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Uriah Ziegler

09-13-2011 02:17:46




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 Re: D15 Series II (2) hydraulic remotes. in reply to Uriah Ziegler, 09-13-2011 02:15:28  
I should also add that the baler requires min 30 PTO (ran fine on 28.5 pto hp CUT Kubota, just not full bale). Also it has a max of 60 HP, so D15 series 2 at 40 PTO roughly should be plenty.



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Bob Bancroft

09-12-2011 08:47:10




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 Re: D15 Series II (2) hydraulic remotes. in reply to Uriah Ziegler, 09-12-2011 08:34:43  
The D15, as well as most of the D series, has a very limited hydraulic system. Basically the old WD- WD45 low volume piston pump. Originally all one way. The rockshaft and single remote are hooked together. There was a factory option for a multiple spool valve which would give you separate controls for the rockshaft, and two double acting remotes. I have never seen one other than in the book. The D15 is a very handy, and quite powerful, LIGHT, little tractor. You could spend a LOT to add a valve bank. I'm not familiar with your baler. But I'm guessing you would be better off to keep looking for a different tractor.

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