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Reversed Loader Accidents

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01-26-2011 08:55:44

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A person in our area was recently killed while operating a reversed allis chalmers wc which rolled on top of him and crusing him, bringing the total within about 30 miles of our town to 4 deaths in the past several years. As far as I can see these loaders are very dangerous, but I would like to see how many accidents there have been on these tractors. Has anyone in your area been killed on one of these or have heard of any other accidents on them?

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01-28-2011 10:05:36

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 Re: Reversed Loader Accidents in reply to anonymous1001, 01-26-2011 08:55:44  
Lots of old farmers around here raised loaders most of the way up for the weight when plowing and thinking the sturdy loaders offered a make shift roll bar. but these were fully hydraulic freeman loaders usually on a low slung MF.I always wondered about the practice too back then.always took my WD ( loader off my wd when doing other hydraulic work myself.

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01-27-2011 10:42:04

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 Re: Reversed Loader Accidents in reply to anonymous1001, 01-26-2011 08:55:44  
I agree that operator error was the problem as a reversed WD loader would be considerably more stable than a front mounted loader on a tractor. It might not be as easy to bail out of a reversed WD though. My father had a 1953 Ford Jubilee with an industrial loader as a utility tractor on the farm. When he used it for farm work such as mowing, bailing and swathing he would usually take just the bucket off as the bucket was fairly heavy and the tractor did not have ps. This just involved pulling 4 pins and he could have the bucket arms lower to the ground. I don't ever remember him operating with the loader in the raised position for better visibility.

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Kentb of SWMO

01-27-2011 06:30:16

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 Re: Reversed Loader Accidents in reply to anonymous1001, 01-26-2011 08:55:44  
Yes, to most operator error. I have seen guys running their loader all the way in the air without a load. Most of the time this is when the are using the tractor loader for other thing as it help the operator see better BUT if you get in this habit, one of these days you will do it with a load. This then changes the center of gavity of the tractor and OVER SHE WILL GO. A LITTLE RANT: ALWAY RUN THE BUCKET OR HAY FORKS OF A LOADER AS CLOSE TO THE GROUND AS POSSIBLE WHEATHER LOADED OR UNLOADED. If the loader is in the way when doing other things with the tractor, TAKE THE LOADER OFF. IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO TAKE THE LOADER OFF, SEE ABOVE.


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01-27-2011 09:39:05

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 Re: Reversed Loader Accidents in reply to Kentb of SWMO, 01-27-2011 06:30:16  
Yep agree with you 100%. Last summer I watch a guy baling hay with a loader tractor. He was running it all over up and down hills along hill etc and had the loader all the way up. All I could do was think boy what a fool. Ya he never did lay it over but he was also not setting a good example for others. I know a guy that a couple years ago got one of those little Kabota tractor with a loader. Well the first day he uesd it he was moving rocks around his place. Ran it with the loader all the way up and full of rocks. He layed it over. He said he jumped clear of it and then used his truck to pul it up right. I ask him if he learned any thing and he said yes but how should I do it. I said low as you can go till you need to dump the load and still low as you can go and get the job done

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Mike in Mn.

01-26-2011 18:38:59

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 Re: Reversed Loader Accidents in reply to anonymous1001, 01-26-2011 08:55:44  
My son has a reversed allis with a all hyd loader, Wheels set wide and filled with fluid, it"s flat where he lives, one of the handiest machines ever built. Two of my uncles had wd"s with loaders, my cousin rolled one of them but was able to bail, that was 40 years ago. About 5 years ago a neighbor that I went to school with rolled a wd with a loader and was crushed to death, he was 59 years old, what a shame, but it was operator error, what else can you blame it on. Last fall another neighbor was killed in a grain bin, and after all the preaching about staying out of bins. There have been plenty of farm accidents around here in my life time, deaths due to tractors, animals and grain bins, kids ran over with trucks and wagons etc.

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01-26-2011 17:12:06

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 Re: Reversed Loader Accidents in reply to anonymous1001, 01-26-2011 08:55:44  
Lost a neighbor to one about 20 years ago. Springtime, gravel road with frost boils. Driving to a repair shop in high gear, hit the mushy area and flipped the tractor. One issue with the narrow front is that the toe-in is backwards when the tractor is reversed. Would be easy to pull the spindle and drill it for the setscrew to fit into the other side. Wide front would be an easy adjustment for correct toe-in. My reversed WD has a pretty open station, and lift arms are not likely to be in the way- loader isn"t raised any higher than needed to get the job done, and our land is very flat. Drive wheels are set fairly wide. Careless operator can get hurt, no matter the loader design.

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01-26-2011 15:00:39

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 Re: Reversed Loader Accidents in reply to anonymous1001, 01-26-2011 08:55:44  
I have one, plus two tractomotives, and the refersed WD is like my right hand. I do alot of very stupid things with it, otherwise I would have to use a shovel and my back.

As far as I know there has been no deaths that I can think of, however all three are like dropping into a cockpit. There is no way out with arollover, and a person probably would not even try. Very dangerous if you are not used to them, and dangerous even if you are used to them probably.

However that being said, I respond the lots of auto accidents each year also. When I meet another car going 55, I"m probably closer to death than on the tractor.

I"m not trying to defend, just trying to be practical.

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01-26-2011 11:37:37

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 Re: Reversed Loader Accidents in reply to anonymous1001, 01-26-2011 08:55:44  
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About 95% of the time it is not the equipments fault but the loose nut behind the steering wheel which has caused the problem. Like in this picture the guy was told not to drive on the hill side but he did He sort of walked away from it but spent a night in the hospital because of a messed up knee. Just think that is a Ford 8N and it had an ORC on it for the brush hog and it sits lower then the common AC tractor does and the guy still did that and was lucky the tree was in his way or he probably would be dead right no also. Oh ya the rear rims and centers are off a WD tractor

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jim birthman

01-26-2011 11:11:07

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 Re: Reversed Loader Accidents in reply to anonymous1001, 01-26-2011 08:55:44  
people have been killed on tractors like mine-narrow front, but alot of work gets done with them. you must respect equipment.

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01-26-2011 10:53:49

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 Re: Reversed Loader Accidents in reply to anonymous1001, 01-26-2011 08:55:44  
Most likely, it comes down to Operator Error..

They won't turn over all by their-selves..

Improper equipment weighting prior to use, over-loading, etc..

You must be intimately familiar with a piece of equipment, to push it to it's limits...


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