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ed in cny

03-25-2010 18:02:51




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How many seeds should drop when check row planting? Planing to plant sweet corn that way this year.




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Dick L

03-26-2010 06:50:44




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 Re: check row panting in reply to ed in cny, 03-25-2010 18:02:51  
Loooooong time a go the saying was two for the black bird, two for the crow, two to rot, and two to grow.

66 years ago was the last time Dad checked corn. My Grandpap and Dad opened up a field that had not been plowed in years and they felt the need to cultivate two ways to keep the grass and weeds out.

Stumbled over the spool of wire in the barn all the time I was growing up and it was never used again.

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JMS/.MN

03-25-2010 21:59:06




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 Re: check row panting in reply to ed in cny, 03-25-2010 18:02:51  
Don"t know about all planters, but some can be set for 2-3-4 seeds per hill. CRS says You can max out at about 14000 population per acre. Suppose one could do the math, knowing row spacing, hill spacing (measure knots on the wire), and seed drop.



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JMS/.MN

03-25-2010 22:08:56




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 Re: check row panting in reply to JMS/.MN, 03-25-2010 21:59:06  
OK- just did the math....In 36 inch rows, it takes 14520 feet to equal one acre in one row (from Pioneer Corn handbook). If the knots on the wire are 36 inches apart, that gives you 4840 hills. 3 seeds per hill gives you 14520 population. IH wire we had at home was 40 inch spacing, same as the rows, so outcome would be a bit different.



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John Harmon

03-26-2010 06:20:51




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 Re: check row panting in reply to JMS/.MN, 03-25-2010 22:08:56  
If old timers who used a check wire were around yet they would say that 40" per knot on the wire was normal. 40" was the universal measurement that a horse needed to pass between the rows when cultivating. I have seen a lot of check wire ,most of it abandoned in favor of power or hill drop which ever you prefer to call it. In 1960 I started farming and used the drill setting on my JD490 Planter dropping one reg flat corn seed every 8 " in 40" rows. around 1962-63 I narrowed the rows to 38".I never noticed any yeild improvement but every one else was doing it so I had to follow the leaders. I never tried the 36" row spacing as I never had equipment to venture that direction. I picked ear corn with a D17 with a mounted Ford Picker and the width of the picker forbid doing any thing narrower than 38" rows.

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Dick W.

03-26-2010 11:17:21




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 Re: check row panting in reply to John Harmon, 03-26-2010 06:20:51  
I have never heard how the wire worked when the planter turned around at the other end of the field. How did you drive straight, with the wire pulled in from the front or trailing out the back? Did you use a post to hold the wire at the end of the field to pull it off of the planter or did the planter pull it in? My Dad used a 9N with a converted horse planter to 3 point that I rode on the big cast seat just to be in the field with my Dad. Thank for any info.

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Dick L

03-26-2010 11:41:06




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 Re: check row panting in reply to Dick W., 03-26-2010 11:17:21  
As I remember the wire run thru a deal no either side and was staked at each end. The wire would be on the already planted side. Dad drove the tractor and my Grandpa rode the planter seat and would get off to switch the wire and pull and restake the ends. It was an IH horse drawn planter my Dad used with horses before he bought a tractor. With the pole cut off of course.



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JMS/.MN

03-26-2010 22:06:20




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 Re: check row panting in reply to Dick L, 03-26-2010 11:41:06  
Right- on each side of the planter was a trip mechanism with a "Y" shape that the wire was set into on each end of the field. As you drove along the wire was in the bottom tail of the Y, and when the knot came along, it tripped the mechanism, and the wire was held in place by the top, open end of the Y. Then it spring reset to a vertical position, awaiting the next knot. A rider could release the wire from the tripper at the end of the field, but I think our IH had a rope that the tractor driver could pull. Make the turn, stop, reset the stake, pulling it tight to get an even cross-check, then put the wire in the Y for the next pass. Always kept the wire to the planted side of the planter, to allow for turns. End rows were drilled, or could be hill-dropped. No wire involved for that. With a taut wire, one could cross-cultivate easily, otherwise it was tough to steer. Wire was laid out on the first pass down the field, after end rows were planted. Dad went to drilling a few years after I began cultivating, so no more cross-cultivating, which was usually 3rd pass in the summer. Larger corn, without shields, went better.

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Dick W.

03-28-2010 10:15:39




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 Re: check row panting in reply to JMS/.MN, 03-26-2010 22:06:20  
How did you change the wire at the far end of the field when you turned around to go back the other way? Did someone need to stay at the starting end or both ends of the field to move the wire?



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