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B 3pt working almost done

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kts_b

03-17-2010 16:38:48




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I got the 3pt we made almost ready to use. All I need to do is change the ends on the links so that they pull from above the lift arms and not from the sides. It should work like it is now, but probably wear out faster?

I hope it will pull this plow ok. I"d like to run it on this tractor but can put it on a bigger one if I really have too. Its a Dearborn 10-181. Plows around here aren"t the easiest thing to find, and not cheaply. Any info on this plow?

It lifts the plow no problem with the large cylinder even at idle. If you stand on the back of the plow it will lift the front of the tractor off the ground. I have 55lb weights for the front rims, 250+ I"m going to mount in the middle of the tractor and may still get all the tires filled with beet juice.

Anyone know how much weight it adds to the rear 11.2x24 tires?

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kts_b

03-18-2010 18:28:20




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 Re: B 3pt working almost done in reply to kts_b, 03-17-2010 16:38:48  
Tried it briefly in our small garden today. Seems like it will work ok. I didn"t have the second plow sanded up so the dirt stuck to it, sanded it after I tried it. With some adjustment on the top link it should be ready to go. I"m not sure what is causing the cylinder to sometimes not go all the way back in. With the plow unhooked the cylinder didn"t want to go the whole way in until I took the rear bolt out of the hydro pump. It stuck at the same spot each time. The pump I have was taken off of a parts tractor. I still have the other one I may rebuild sometime.

The place had an original plow for the B for $100, but it wouldn"t fit any of the other tractors so we didn"t get it.

I"ll try it out more tomorrow, but it seems like weight should not be a problem, front or rear. I didn"t bother adjusting it because the dirt just stuck to the rear plow and my cylinder wasn"t going down quite enough. Looks like it will be able to plow 10 inches deep.

600 lbs beet juice in the rear wheels
110 in wheel weights on the front rims
450+ around the engine

I can still make a bracket and put the weight in front of the tractor if it is needed.

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usetabesteve

03-18-2010 08:10:45




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 Re: B 3pt working almost done in reply to kts_b, 03-17-2010 16:38:48  
You'd be better off if you built a heavier bracket so you could hang those weights out in front of the grille. You need that weight farther forward - it's a safety issue as well as a traction issue.

I agree with a couple others. I think you have that plow hitched too high and too far back on the tractor. Another safety issue.

The way you have this set up, the tractor is likely to lift the front and/or roll over backward on the driver.

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kts_b

03-18-2010 10:18:31




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 Re: B 3pt working almost done in reply to usetabesteve, 03-18-2010 08:10:45  
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If I shortened the lower lift arms, the 3 point would be very close to the same geometry to the aftermarket 3 points available.

We tried to find a single bottom plow but the only one we could find was a 2 hour drive and was $75 more. Has to be a 3 point so that it will fit our other tractors.

If I have any problems trying this plow I will try the 4x4 Mitsubishi diesel or if it won"t work well on it I can use a 5,000 lb, 32hp diesel Kubota

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kts_b

03-17-2010 21:36:55




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 Re: B 3pt working almost done in reply to kts_b, 03-17-2010 16:38:48  
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kts_b

03-17-2010 21:35:35




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 Re: B 3pt working almost done in reply to kts_b, 03-17-2010 16:38:48  
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I think this would be enough weight in the front. The round stainless pieces are 110-120 lbs each. Right now it has 350 lbs bolted up. I still have another 120 lb piece for the other side and 55lb wheel weights.



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kts_b

03-17-2010 20:00:49




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 Re: B 3pt working almost done in reply to kts_b, 03-17-2010 16:38:48  
I meant the plow is a 14"



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kts_b

03-17-2010 19:57:43




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 Re: B 3pt working almost done in reply to kts_b, 03-17-2010 16:38:48  
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Its a Dearborn 10-181, 16". I got it from a Riddles equipment, about an hour north of Pittsburgh.

The plow will lower down enough to plow, I'd say another foot or close too it. I about 2" of the cylinder extended when the plow is flat on the ground so it can go up or down about 2" either way at the cylinder. It lifts the plow up maybe 7-8 inches.

The weight in the picture is about 120 pounds. I got another one that we are notching for the other side. It doesn't cut well because its a wear plate. Its 3x9x18". With the tires filled I'd think the tractor ballasted would be around 2800 lbs. Wouldn't this be close to the same weight and power as the Ford Ns? What would make them pull better?

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chalmersbob(pa)

03-17-2010 18:13:54




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 Re: B 3pt working almost done in reply to kts_b, 03-17-2010 16:38:48  
I pulled 2-12" plows with my B without any problem, and they were pull behinds, not mounted. I havd calcium in the rear tires
You might have your 3 point mounted too high to get the plow dorn level. Also the AC plows always hooked forward of the rear axle. This helped to hold the front down when plowing. Good Luck
Bob



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kts_b

03-17-2010 16:39:33




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 Re: B 3pt working almost done in reply to kts_b, 03-17-2010 16:38:48  
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ASE guy

03-17-2010 17:16:32




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 Re: B 3pt working almost done in reply to kts_b, 03-17-2010 16:39:33  
Looks like it'll be done in time to plow. Looks good-solid. What type of plow is it and where did you get it?



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Nat

03-17-2010 17:42:47




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 Re: B 3pt working almost done in reply to ASE guy, 03-17-2010 17:16:32  
A B won't pull that plow very well. It was origionally a 1 plow tractor. I had a snap couple b and tried to pull a 2 bottom plow for a CA and it was to light and didn't have enough power to carry the plow with the extra traction from carring it later, Nat



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