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SOS!!! Need help and info from AC forum PLEASE!!!

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Agman55

12-11-2009 11:49:28




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Hello,
Can ANYONE tell me if a D 17 series 4 in excellent condition, was a diesel, but they now put a D 19 GAS engine in it (72hp is what they say it is now) would this tractor be worth more with this engine or less? Will the rest of the tractor hold up to the extra horsepower?

Second: Is a D 17 GAS worth more, and more desirable, than a D 17 DIESEL? Which would be the better buy and the better tractor?

Third: Would a D 19 DIESEL be a better and more desireable tractor than a AC 170 GAS?

Fourth (and LAST): What is a good average price to pay for a:
D 17 DIESEL Series 4 in excellent shape- ?

D 19 DIESEL in excellent shape - ?

AC 170 GAS with 2500 hrs in REAL good shape-?

D 17 Series 4 with D 19 GAS engine (what would it be worth in EXCELLENT shape-?

ALL HAVE FACTORY 3pt HITCHES! ALL HAVE minimal hours (4000 hrs at MOST), ALL in GREAT shape!

I can't tell you how much I would appreciate ANY info that I could get in regards to these questions, I would be ETERNALLY greatful!!!

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Kip-Utah

12-14-2009 12:13:06




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 Re: SOS!!! Need help and info from AC forum PLEASE!!! in reply to Agman55, 12-11-2009 11:49:28  
It's kind of ironic but the 170 has kind of become the poor boys D171V.Kip



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Brian Jasper co. Ia

12-11-2009 19:24:48




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 Re: SOS!!! Need help and info from AC forum PLEASE!!! in reply to Agman55, 12-11-2009 11:49:28  
A 170 and a series 4 D17 are almost the same tractor with different tin. The diesel version would be different, 4 cyl Perkins VS A-C 6 cyl. An excellent D19D will usually bring $5K to $6K around central Ia. About the same for a D17D series 4.
A D17 diesel will always bring more than it's gasoline counterpart. With the number of gas vs diesel, it must be about 8 in 10 were gas.
My opinion is a D17D converted to gas would be worth less than if it were still diesel. The series 4 and 170 have a hydraulic system that is industry standard in pressure and volume. A D19 has the old high pressure low volume system like a WD has.
Unless the D17 with a D19 gas in it is weighted down so the extra power can be used to plow, etc, I doubt there would be any difference in power train life.

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Agman55

12-11-2009 19:52:19




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 Re: SOS!!! Need help and info from AC forum PLEASE!!! in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 12-11-2009 19:24:48  
Thank you SO much for all that info, I am trying to decide on which way to go, and this info is VERY helpful. I was getting the impression from a lot of people that the GAS was more desireable, which I thought was a bit strange. Thanks SO much for your info and kindness. Have a GREAT Holiday Season and MANY thanks!



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Agman55

12-11-2009 16:50:39




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 Re: SOS!!! Need help and info from AC forum PLEASE!!! in reply to ANON, 12-11-2009 16:15:00  
I want to thank you ALL for giving me your input, time, and kindness, I REALLY appreciate it VERY much! I am new to the AC crowd but have heard MANY good things about them and I'm looking forward to being part of the AC community. I am also VERY impressed by the kind of people in this forum, VERY helpful, knowledgeable, and KIND, your a GREAT bunch of people, I am VERY greatful! Happy SAFE Holidays to one and all! God Bless! and Thanks again!!!
Sincerely,
Jeff (ag_man55)

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Mike (WA)

12-11-2009 15:27:26




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 Re: SOS!!! Need help and info from AC forum PLEASE!!! in reply to Agman55, 12-11-2009 11:49:28  
Once you get above about 50 HP, gas versions just are too thristy, so diesel is worth more. D19 is kind of the red-headed step child of the D series, so of the bunch, I'd prefer the D17 Series 4 diesel.



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Mike (WA)

12-11-2009 15:27:14




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 Re: SOS!!! Need help and info from AC forum PLEASE!!! in reply to Agman55, 12-11-2009 11:49:28  
Once you get above about 50 HP, gas versions just are too thristy, so diesel is worth more. D19 is kind of the red-headed step child of the D series, so of the bunch, I'd prefer the D17 Series 4 diesel.



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Jerry Coulter

12-11-2009 14:52:35




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 Re: SOS!!! Need help and info from AC forum PLEASE!!! in reply to Agman55, 12-11-2009 11:49:28  
Auctions I've been to, the D17 IV brings more than the 170.



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mlpankey

12-11-2009 13:07:17




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 Re: SOS!!! Need help and info from AC forum PLEASE!!! in reply to Agman55, 12-11-2009 11:49:28  
i would think the 170 gas would be of the higher value.



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Agman55

12-11-2009 14:18:40




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 Re: SOS!!! Need help and info from AC forum PLEASE!!! in reply to mlpankey, 12-11-2009 13:07:17  
Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. Happy Holidays!



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