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Jumping Out of 3rd gear

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10-04-2009 04:33:26

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Of the D Series, e.g. D17, and the 100 Series, e.g. 190XT, which were the most resistant to jumping out of 3rd gear. I would also appreciate any other comments about this issue.

Also, which of these tractors are most popular as collectibles.
Paul in Wisconsin.

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scot in pa

11-14-2009 14:17:17

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 Re: Jumping Out of 3rd gear in reply to 2510Paul, 10-04-2009 04:33:26  
Our D19 jumped out of third downhill. The 190 didn't.

We put a C2 gasser motor in the 19 after it ate its fourth set of heads (they cracked). It took three sets not long after it was new, my uncle put a timer in the shed for the block heater and the last set lasted a long time but still went bad.

The castings must have been too thin to take the heating/cooling cycles from a cold start.

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10-05-2009 16:33:37

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 Re: Jumping Out of 3rd gear in reply to 2510Paul, 10-04-2009 04:33:26  
Thanks for the reply's. When I was growing up we had MH 44 RC's and a 444 standard. About 1965 my Dad bought a second farm and a 190XT AC. Later he traded the 190XT for a 200 and a 170, not at the same time. I split the 190XT rear end one fall day plowing a head land. When my brother quite farming he had the 200, a D17 and a 180 (the 170 burned in a fire, to bad, it was a nice tractor). Everyone of them jumped out of 3rd gear when going down hill. I beleive part of the blame is the operators not being patient and grinding the gears. If you really want to make matters worse put a loader on one, the 200 had a loader on it.

Still, I have a software spot for these tractors, the engines seemed bullet proof and really put out the power for the size. It is just too bad the transmissions were a little on the light side. A good synchronized forward-reverse would have done these tractors a lot of good.

I have a collection of JD 2510's and 2520's. I think these are the greatest tractors for thier period. Just a well designed tractor that is really fun to drive. Although, being 40 years old they have their wear and tear also.

Oh, my IH friend says I need some color in my shed. ha, ha. So I am looking around.

Thanks for the comments. Paul

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Bob Bancroft

10-05-2009 16:59:55

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 Re: Jumping Out of 3rd gear in reply to 2510Paul, 10-05-2009 16:33:37  
I couldn't agree with you more. I've often thought if I could have that 190XT/200 engine in my 4020PS it would be the perfect tractor. I had a 170 diesel and boy do I wish I had kept it. But then maybe I wouldn't have bought my 2520. It does all my row crop,drilling, and handy work. It has over 5000 hours on it and is still going strong. I could be persuaded to replace the 4020 with something like a 4040,etc. But I can't because the 4020 is my wife's favorite and I would lose her help. I will never part with the 2520.

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Texas Denny

10-04-2009 14:27:05

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 Re: Jumping Out of 3rd gear in reply to 2510Paul, 10-04-2009 04:33:26  
Unfortunately, starting with the CA and later with the WD-45, the "jumping" problem is pretty common. I don't have a database so have no way of knowing which is best or worst. I have a D-17, a D-14, a WD-45 and a CA. The CA is the only one with the problem and I fixed it the easy way - getting a better set of forks and shift rails.

My only guide to collecting is the price of the tractor. It appears to me that the D-10 and D-12 are the most collectible followed by the D-14. Probably the reason is their size - ease to transport. I'd put the D-19 and D-17 about the same but behind the these.

Collecting is an individual sport. Everyone wants what they have for a different reason. I have 21 tractors and usually can't explain why I wanted them. I think you buy something because it has a special meaning for you from childhood. My last purchase is a Farmall 560. I think I bought it because it was the biggest thing that looked like a row crop tractor in 1958 when I was 12. And it has Torque Amplifier which I wanted to try and see how it works. Probably pretty thin reasons for spending a lot of money!

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Bob Bancroft

10-04-2009 05:52:18

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 Re: Jumping Out of 3rd gear in reply to 2510Paul, 10-04-2009 04:33:26  
My experience from the 60's through the 80'S was that roughly everything up through the 175 was rugged enough. Everything starting with the 180 and getting bigger wore out way too fast. The 170 and 175 are just a newer D17. No experience with the D19's here. I suppose now they're all old enough to be giving trouble. But at least that's understandable. Putting new parts in and playing around with shifter rails, spring, balls,etc. on tractors a few years old with not a lot of hours was a pain.

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10-04-2009 05:33:54

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 Re: Jumping Out of 3rd gear in reply to 2510Paul, 10-04-2009 04:33:26  
Have a D-19 that jumps out of 3rd gear only when going down a hill. Will stay in when pulling. Could use some advice on how to fix it.

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john n myles

10-04-2009 04:58:28

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 Re: Jumping Out of 3rd gear in reply to 2510Paul, 10-04-2009 04:33:26  
Hello Paul I have D17 with a loader on have not had it jumping out of 3rd gear.D17 are more popular as collectible. I just have one AC it is D17 have six john deere

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