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WC - Just won't start

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Tom R. S.

09-02-2009 10:42:45

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Still trying to start this 1937 WC. Has crank only.
Seems to have good compression but will be checking it. What's a good reading on a gauge for compression?
If this looks good I'm either going to belt it up to my Case SC or try to pull start it.
Never have done either so should be interesting.

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Texas Denny

09-02-2009 20:25:27

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 Re: WC - Just won't start in reply to Tom R. S., 09-02-2009 10:42:45  
Tom, in some cases, pulling is the only way to go. Your situation sounds like one of those cases. Once you have it running and the cylinders get lubrication, hand starting should be possible. I have my shop on a hill and I've used this hill a number of times to get tough ones started. Of course, if it doesn't start by the time I get to the bottom, I need someone to pull me back to the top.

If your compression is 70 or above, it should start. I think a fresh engine (or the spec) is around 120. Once you get it going, compression might improve if the ring's seat again.

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bjb in Tx from Ne

09-02-2009 13:54:03

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 Re: WC - Just won't start in reply to Tom R. S., 09-02-2009 10:42:45  
My WC and my B had been sitting about a year since I last started them on Memorial day weekend. Had to pull start both with full choke to get them alive again. Once they got gas and oil flowing I could hand start them. WC still took full choke to get it to start by hand though.

Your carb could be out of adjustment slightly and hindering the starting. Best to pull start and get them running so you can adjust the carb. When I have been successful in starting my B after a long period I usually have to turn the power needle a quarter turn CCW to get it to fire.

I have start both with a belt and by pull starting. With a belt you need to make sure you get it tight enough and possibly one twist to get it running in the right direction, an extra operator helps.

Pull starting you need to run in 4th and let the clutch out, and be ready for it to take off, but have plenty of room, took several hundred feet Memorial Day to wake the WC up again.

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Tom R.S.

09-07-2009 16:15:52

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 Re: WC - Just won't start in reply to bjb in Tx from Ne, 09-02-2009 13:54:03  
Thanks for the reply.
This is my first experience with Allises.
We seem to have everything in order so hopefully putting her on the belt will do it.
We checked the order of the firing and checked the spark and they looked OK.
HAs new plugs gapped at about 25 thous.
One thing we could have done was drained the gas tank and made sure we had fresh gas.
The gas tank is nice and clean though.
When we cranked it we had gas dripping out of the carb. so I would think it should have fired.
Thanks again for your reply.

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Iowa Bob

09-02-2009 12:08:18

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 Re: WC - Just won't start in reply to Tom R. S., 09-02-2009 10:42:45  
When I was young we had a 1935 and 1936 WC if the magneto is working and the motor is in time, the carb is clean, and plug's are good. Give it about 3 notch's on the throttle, full choke, Pull up on the crank 1 maybe 2 times, back choke off and it should start on the third pull if it didn't on the 2nd pull

Thanks Bob

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