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25-40, or a 30-60? Allis E

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d21smithil

09-28-2008 05:49:10




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Guys i bought an allis a quite a long time ago and am just starting to get to it now, i have had some allis collectors look at it and they cant tell me if it is a 25-40 thresherman's special? or a 30-60? Was wondering if i could find some guidance here, It has 5 1/4 KERO stamped into the block of the engine, the serial# back by the shifter cannot be read i have tried everything imaginable i think to try to get the number, it has the water injected carb, a tank on the rear fender. The engine was locked up when i bought it i got the pistons out of her last week and i am in need of some parts, does anyone happen to have many parts for the old girl out here by chance? I need 2 sleeves, 2 of the babbit rod bearings are breaking out pretty badly, set of rings, magneto, maybe some valves, and a gasket set, any info on the tractor or the parts would be VERY APPRECIATED thank you so much for your time.

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Doug in IL

09-28-2008 18:34:06




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 Re: 25-40, or a 30-60? Allis E in reply to d21smithil, 09-28-2008 05:49:10  
Chances are good you don't have a Threshman's Special. But you could have. There were supposedly less than 100 made. Every other E I see or hear about is claimed as a Special! I have seen a gas 20-35 with 5 inch bores. What happened is engines where changed to industrials and farmers simply went into the dealers and bought oversize sleeves and pistons, as is the case with the 20-35 I mentioned. Thresherman's Specials have remotely mounted carb mixture adjustments and governor controls and an exhaust whistle as standard equipment. Many had a canopy. The parts books tell the story. I don't think there was ever a model 30-60, at least not called that as a model designation. Some claim otherwise. There were 50 and 60 horse engines available for belt work though. The parts books show the 5 1/4 bore engines as Kero burners. That's what you have. I think you probably have a 25-40 kerosene tractor. As you can see, these E tractors can be confusing!

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PullingWC

09-28-2008 17:49:10




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 Re: 25-40, or a 30-60? Allis E in reply to d21smithil, 09-28-2008 05:49:10  
Norm Meinert phone number is 815-865-5372 but I think he doesn't want any calls on sunday.



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leroy in ne

09-28-2008 17:43:19




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 Re: 25-40, or a 30-60? Allis E in reply to d21smithil, 09-28-2008 05:49:10  
as reference C.H Wendel The Allis Chalmers Story. Confusion exists as 18-30, 20-35,and 25-40 were all called model E. 18-30 and 20-35 used a bore and stroke of 4-3/4 x 6-1/2. 25-40 used a 5 inch bore. As i understand it the thresher special used a 1/4 inch larger bore than standard tractors. also model A introduced in 1936 are similar but used a 4 speed transmission. some tractors had engines replaced with model E industrial engines which were available with up to 5-1/4 bores. the lower block opening was machined bigger on the large bore engines. some of the track layers also used variations of this same basic engine. i beleive the industrials were available fueled with Kerosene, Distalate,gasoline, and LP or natural gas. these using different pistons for various compression ratios. who knows what modificatins may have been done to your Kerosene fueld engine in the last 70 plus years

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John (C-IL)

09-28-2008 06:07:52




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 Re: 25-40, or a 30-60? Allis E in reply to d21smithil, 09-28-2008 05:49:10  
Norm Meinert in Davis, IL will most likely have everything that you need and can give you some pretty good guidance on what to do. Fred Lucabaugh from Hanover, PA also specializes in the older tractors.

There is a fair amount of debate about the various Model E; 25-40; 30-60; and Thresherman's Special models. When it comes to the engines they are all pretty much the same when it comes to the majority of the parts.

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d21smithil

09-28-2008 15:01:01




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 Re: 25-40, or a 30-60? Allis E in reply to John (C-IL), 09-28-2008 06:07:52  
does anyone have these gentlemans numbers by chance? Also im curious what makes the tractor a thresherman's special? thank you



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10-01-2008 12:11:31




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 Re: 25-40, or a 30-60? Allis E in reply to d21smithil, 09-28-2008 15:01:01  
norm 815 865 5372
fred 717 451 6590



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