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'49 Model C front end/ steering - worn out?

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49Allis

05-29-2008 10:23:53




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The front wheels of my 49 Allis, Model C track from left to right real bad. I can"t keep it straight at all while driving. I removed the front end and it looks like the bevel gears are worn out. I even removed some shims hoping it would help the gears mesh better...no luck Anyone have any suggestions or know where I can get replacement gears or how to get them repaired? I"ve looked around but can"t find anything. Thanks!

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jk

05-31-2008 18:02:59




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 Re: '49 Model C front end/ steering - worn out? in reply to 49Allis, 05-29-2008 10:23:53  
i was told that when the narrow front (assuming) dos that there is a bad bering in the pedistal. mine did it aliitle bit, but i converted it to wide front so i didn't take the time to fix it



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B W in MO

05-29-2008 19:50:27




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 Re: '49 Model C front end/ steering - worn out? in reply to 49Allis, 05-29-2008 10:23:53  
Have you checked the steering gear box at the end of steering column, I have repaired several of them the pin will wear out and cause that same problem. B W



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Dick L

05-29-2008 11:27:33




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 Re: '49 Model C front end/ steering - worn out? in reply to 49Allis, 05-29-2008 10:23:53  
Did You remove the gear and rotate it 180 degrees on the shaft? You can also add shims under that gear. Make sure the front axle trails the center shaft. If for some reason someone had turned it 180 degrees and it is leading the center shaft it will never steer good. After making any adjustments make sure you turn the steering wheel lock to lock to make sure it will not bind in the gears before you let the jack down. Most of the time the gears will be worn in the center and not all the way one way or the other.

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49Allis

05-29-2008 12:56:58




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 Re: '49 Model C front end/ steering - worn out? in reply to Dick L, 05-29-2008 11:27:33  
Didn't rotate the gear. Of course it could have been done by the previous owner. We've only had it for about 30 years :) I was about 10 yrs old when my dad bought it. He still uses it all the time.
I can't visualize what you mean by the front axle trailing center shaft. Can you explain with more detail. It's been a year since I took it apart. When I took it apart, I put it back just like I found it. If it was wrong I would not have known.
As soon as I get a chance I will take it apart and look at it again.
So, just remove the upper gear from the shaft and add shims to cause it to mesh tighter in the lower gear?

Thanks!

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DickL

05-29-2008 18:11:54




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 Re: '49 Model C front end/ steering - worn out? in reply to 49Allis, 05-29-2008 12:56:58  
The axle is not welded on the center of the shaft. The center of the axle needs to be behind the center of the shaft as in the picture.

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I would turn the gear on the shaft and check it first before adding shims. Mark the gear befor removing it so you dont end up at 90 degrees while taking it off and on.

Meshing tighter is what will take the play out of those two gears. As I stated before it can feel good until you try to turn it all the way one way or the other. If the gear is wore in the center bad then it will bind turning lock to lock.

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49Allis

06-02-2008 16:26:09




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 Re: '49 Model C front end/ steering - worn out? in reply to DickL, 05-29-2008 18:11:54  
Thanks to all who responded! Now at least I know what to look for. Yes, it is a narrow front end and I replaced all of the bearings when I had it apart last year. I'll be pulling it again, hopefully within a week, to check it out to see if shimming will help. I'll update this post when I'm done and include some pics if I can find my camera.
My next project will be trying to figure out why the hyd lift keeps creeping down when lifted and why the battery (6 volt) doesn't charge (dad has to jump it off a lot). Someone once told me that I needed to install a lightswitch that was removed by the previous owner (don't have it). Not sure, but I'm confident that I'll be asking for more guidance in the future. Thanks again and if you have anymore suggestions please send 'em on. Take care.

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old

05-29-2008 10:29:24




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 Re: '49 Model C front end/ steering - worn out? in reply to 49Allis, 05-29-2008 10:23:53  
Almost bet you will have to find them used since they probably not to be found new. I have 2 Cs for parts and I know I have a both front ends still and there even out of the tractors



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