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Re: enviromental concerns ?


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Posted by Bret4207 on September 28, 2013 at 10:45:38 from (64.19.90.196):

In Reply to: enviromental concerns ? posted by MarkB_MI on September 28, 2013 at 07:56:08:

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Yes, they did rise according to data presented, some of which is suspect, but the temp rise leveled off about 12 years back we're now told. There are so many questions to ask it boggles the mind-

Has the way they took the temps and the areas where they took temps changed over the years? (You bet it has!)

Are there conflicting data that seem to refute some data presented supporting the climate rise notion? (Yes!)

Is the sun and the oceans the main controller of our climate? (Yes!)

If man is the cause, and the big rise took place over about 20-30 years, is there anything we can do that will affect the planets climate over the same time period? (No, no one has any answer to that question that they will even begin to back up.)

Is there a heck of a lot of politics and power involved in this argument? Are a lot of socialist/Marxist/anarchist radicals involved in the climate change industry? Is capitalism and the west ALWAYS presented as the main culprit in climate change and is the duty to change ALWAYS laid at the feet of the west, the US in particular? Have there been oodles of shifty eyed liars involved on both sides of the argument? (The answer to all those is YES!)

Since your mind is made up Mark, let me ask you- What workable solution to the issue do you propose that doesn't serve to punish the west, require monstrously expensive changes to our so called "modern life"- ie- electric power, heat in the winter, private transportation, a non-Amish or 3rd world existence, and which doesn't have as it's main mechanism a massive shift of power and wealth form the west to 2nd and 3rd world nations? I ask because the vast majority of answers that are offered revolve around those ideas.

BTW- I'm all for an end to urban growth, a cleaner, greener world and a sustainable paradigm for the future. I'd just like the ability to make the decisions for myself rather than having some UN tin pot dictator tell me to think green at the point of a rifle.


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