Posted by RN on March 27, 2013 at 10:22:37 from (205.213.104.118):
In Reply to: Re: Guns, but no ammo posted by concerned citizen on March 27, 2013 at 07:58:03:
Full jacket bullets are a old "military" requirement from about WW1 or a bit earlier, Hague/geneva conventions. prior to the wide use of smokeless powder, lead roundnose or sometimes flat point bullets were normal- 1870s last black powder rifles with tube mags had cup point, flat point bullets and the gilding metal jackets came when higher velocities of smokeless powder, small bore stripped lead instead of proper grip and spin. Civilian use of lead, cup points, flat points remained and half jackets with closed base became civilian standard while military standard became metal point close with open base. Military though is small deep wound is more "humane" than big ripping tear that kills--the resulting wounded combatant requires 1 or 2 of companions to take care of him awhile, transport back to aid station where another 1 or 2 people needed to take care of him- military math- a dead enemy reduces enemy strength by one, a wounded enemy reduces strength by 3. Hollow points expand and don"t richocet when hitting other than body- the police worry about law suits from innocent bystanders injuries- and a full penetration that hits innocent party behind target means large settlement- this goes in one California case to the police restricted to anti-ricochet rounds in the high velocity 9mm auto pistols that replaced the older .38 revolvers. The civilian police standard and self defense load standard is a half jacket cup point/hollow point that will dump energy into body, won"t "overpenetrate" to cause unintended damage if missed target and hits house wall, won"t penetrate police heavy assualt vest if "friendly fired"- this for the common pistol rounds. rifle rounds? .223/5.56 Nato is whatever handy for specified use- car stopper duty gets military SS109 60 plus grain heavy jacket, counter sniper, bank robber stopper gets the old 52/55 civilian varmit load that will shatter on walls if miss target, will dump 500/600 pounds energy into body at 200 meters and won"t exit torso- if hits arm or leg the rapid expansion aft 2 inch penetration means likely partial disabled and exiting bullet with reduced velocity and mass won"t be as great danger to innocent party 50 meters behind target. Homeland security buying lots of hollowpoint pistol ammo??? The type bought is a standard use defense load, the quantity?? may have political IMPLICATIONS, MAY HAVE SIMPLE MARKET COST PER UNIT ADVANTAGE IN LARGE QUANTITY. Does make for some amusing posts about how much people trust certain agencies with large amounts of ammo. RN
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