Posted by ZANE on March 26, 2010 at 18:12:01 from (64.12.116.20):
In Reply to: 8N Hydraulics posted by oldtanker on March 26, 2010 at 13:20:25:
LIVE THANG, LIVE HYDRAULICS FOR THE FORD N AND FERGUSON TRACTORS. I now have a live hydraulics kit ready to install in about an hour or two. I am going to call it "LIVE THANG" in keeping with all the other stuff I have to offer on the Internet for owners of the 9N/2N/8N Ford tractors and Ferguson tractors with the original Ferguson system lift. The unit can be installed with common hand tools usually in about two hours. Nothing of the original tractor is changed and can be put back to original state easily by taking it back off in reverse of installation. Shipping is included in the price. $580.00 is the price for the basic unit
With the basic unit you will have the live three point hitch hydraulics and be able to raise and lower the three point hitch without the PTO turning or the clutch engaged. You can still use the PTO and the PTO pump will not be changed. No drilling or welding is required. THE THREE POINT LIFT IS STILL OPERATED WITH THE ORIGINAL TOUCH CONTROL HANDLE. NO ADDITIONAL CONTROLS ARE NEEDED TO OPERATE THE LIFT. The unit consists of a low volume pump similar to the original pump capacity that is mounted to the engine by existing bolts and is belt driven. State whether you have a front mounted distributor engine or a side mounted distributor engine. The pump bracket has to be fabricated differently for the two. It will take the average person about one or two hours to install and get it up and running. Nothing of the original equipment of the tractor or its appendages is changed. It is just an addition to existing points of attachments etc. No drilling or welding is required.
If you want a filter in the suction side of the system which I recommend but is not necessary add $60.00 to the basic price. Having a filter on the suction line will give the lift system a filter which we all know the Ferguson/Ford hydraulic system has been long lacking and needing. . The pressure hose that is included in the kit can be used to route the pressurized oil into a remote control valve if you should decide to use the spool type control valve for remote cylinders etc. such as on a loader. Most of the original N loaders had only single acting hydraulic cylinders or one way cylinders which ever you want to call them. They had to be made this way because the N lift would only work one way by applying pressure to the cylinders when the touch control was moved up and the lift arms were tied down so that the oil had to go somewhere and in this instance it would go to the cylinders on the loader and raise the load. It is very hard to control the lift of the loader with that set up and you do not have a positive position control of the loader.
With the auxiliary remote control spool valve you would be able to use double acting or two way cylinders and be able to control the load by moving the valve to the center or neutral position and have the lift stay where it is and not drift up or down as it wants to do with the old N system of tying down the lift arms etc.
If you wanted to have a loader that had cylinders to raise and lower the load and also be able to control the bucket angle and dump the bucket then you would have to have a two spool valve. One to control the height and one to control the bucket.
Basic unit will give you live hydraulics for the 3 point hitch. The lift will operate when the clutch is depressed and the PTO is not turning. Or you can use it along with the PTO pump with the clutch engaged.
The older model engine block castings are different than the later model engine block castings. On the older blocks like in the 9N/2N and the 8Ns built before 1951 the oil filter mounting boss and the oil filler/breather openings are different than the 8N blocks. The earlier models have these two part closer to the front of the block by about 3 inches. this makes it necessary to have a different mounting bracket for each one. The Ferguson tractors with the Continental engines have a different mounting bracket for the pump than the Fords. The rest of the unit is the same.
Just send me a money order or a personal check to - Zane Sherman, 2824 Renfroe Road, Talladega Alabama, 35160 and I will be glad to get one on the way to you. I accept Paypal too. wzsherman@aol.com
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