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Re: 8N - Exhaust Manifold Leak Gasket Questions


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Posted by Bruce (VA) on December 12, 2009 at 11:43:15 from (24.125.26.10):

In Reply to: 8N - Exhaust Manifold Leak Gasket Questions posted by Matthew H Stockton on December 12, 2009 at 07:46:02:

If the block is badly pitted, you will have problems; get out the hi-temp metal epoxy. (Not JB Weld) VersaChem's exhaust manifold repair, or ThermoSteel, is said to be good to 2000 degrees. Clean the area real well with brake cleaner, put a little epoxy on it, put some wax paper over it and bolt down the manifold. After it dries take off the manifold and take a die grinder and clean the epoxy that might squish into the port. Look at the manifold. If it’s pitted & burned, it isn’t going to seal. Time to surface it or get a new one.

You said "bolt"; did you actually use a bolt or did you use a stud? If the manifold is attached w/ bolts, somebody someday is going to have a BF problem. The tractor came from the factory w/ brass nuts on studs.

The nuts are brass, 7/16-20 x 5/8, NAPA part number STN104X, 27 lbs of torque. A bag of 10 from Fastenal is less than $8; part number 1175115. OEM studs are 1-5/8 long 7/16-14. NAPA doesn’t stock the 5/8’s length, but part number RFD 86644, 1 ¾ inch, works as does part number 86632, 2 inches. These studs are “Handi-Pack” items. (I’ve used these longer studs on my 50 & 51 N’s, but you should make sure they do not bottom out in the block on your N as they are longer than OEM). If you don’t get them at NAPA, make sure that the stud has an egg-shaped center between the different threads. Use washers under the nuts.

Clean all the threads in the block w/ a thread chaser.

There are two distinctly different recommendations on tightening the studs in the block. Because the stud goes into the water jacket & is constantly undergoing extreme heat & cooling cycles, some folks like to double-nut them & tighten them down at 37 lbs of torque. Others say that it’s a stud & should only be finger tight w/ a good dose of thread sealer or high temp silicone on them.

I’ve replaced the studs on 3 of my 4 N’s w/ no leaks; I finger tighten the studs then take a ¼ turn on them w/ vice grips.

The next thing you need to know is that the method of attaching the exhaust pipe to the manifold was developed for the Model A Ford in 1927. If you pay attention to what you are doing, it will not leak.

Make sure you are using the correct clamp. An automotive muffler c-clamp will not work. You need a clamp made for the N. If you have the correct clamp, it has a top & bottom. Make sure you have the clamp on correctly; check out tip # 8, below.

Slide the tail pipe into the hanger clamp & then place the end of the exhaust pipe against the manifold. Look at it! Remember, the pipe will most always fit snugly to the OEM manifold w/o any problem, but a replacement manifold will likely not be the exact same size as the OEM manifold, so you will have some work to do. If it does not mate all the way around, put a broomstick down the pipe & into the manifold & gently bend the pipe until both surfaces mate snugly. If the exhaust pipe flange is bent, you will never get a good seal; check it out. The clamp is not a gasket; if the pipe & manifold do not mate tightly, it will leak. Do not try & hold the exhaust pipe against the manifold w/ your hand & while you tighten the clamp. Get out your floor jack & a block of wood; put the jack under the pipe to hold it tightly against the manifold. With the pipe jacked snugly and squarely to the manifold use your ¾ lb ball peen hammer and tap the pipe tight to the manifold flange all the way around. Its soft metal and this will only take about a minute. Tighten the clamp. (Don't get carried away w/ the jack or you will bend the pipe. Or, overtighten the clamp & snap it in two. BTDT).

I use Permatex CopperCoat as a sealer. I'd be surprised if you can get 2 gaskets under the manifold & still have enough stud to seat the nuts.......assuming you have studs.



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