Yesterday's Tractor Co. Tractor Parts for All Brands
Click Here or call 800-853-2651 
   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver
 
Marketplace
Classified Ads
Photo Ads

Community
Discussion Forums
Project Journals
Tractor Town
Your Stories
Show & Pull Guide
Events Calendar
Hauling Schedule

Galleries
Tractor Photos
Implement Photos
Vintage Photos
Help Identify
Parts & Pieces
Stuck & Troubled
Vintage Ads
Community Album
Photo Ad Archives

Research & Info
Articles
Tractor Registry
Tip of the Day
Safety Cartoons
Tractor Values
Serial Numbers
Tune-Up Guide
Paint Codes
List Prices
Production Nbrs
Tune-Up Specs
Torque Values
3-Point Specs
Glossary

Miscellaneous
Tractor Games
Just For Kids
Virtual Show
Museum Guide
Memorial Page
Feedback Form

Yesterday's Tractors Facebook Page

Related Sites
Tractor Shed
TractorLinks.com
Ford 8N/9N Club
Today's Tractors
Garden Tractors
Classic Trucks
Kountry Life

Enter your email address to receive our newsletter!

subscribe
unsubscribe
  
Ford 9N, 2N & 8N Discussion Board

8N starter solenoid, again


[ Expand ] [ View Replies ] [ Add a Reply ] [ Return to Forum ]

Posted by Jeff L. on July 31, 2007 at 19:55:22 from (69.19.14.21):

Evidently I mis-directed this morning's version of this posting, so here i'll try again:
After nearly a year's absence from this forum and my tractor (1951 8N), I'm back. De-winterized the tractor and she started right up. Last month I mowed the field for an hour or two then back to the garage. Last week with a friend driving we mowed less than an hour. He stopped to let me drive but it would not re-start. It's an uneven, bouncy ground so I thought that--as happened last season--the starter drive was hung up in the flywheel. That time I followed the advice of someone in the forum, simply rocked the back wheels and ka-thunk! it freed up. That was not the problem this time. This time, key on, in neutral, clutch pedal depressed, press the starter button..."click". Just one rather soft click, sounded like it came from the solenoid.
[By the way, my IT manual and Operator's Manual both refer to the "starter relay". Is that in fact the same as the solenoid? I guess so, but why confuse the terminology??]

Ultimately and to my embarassment, my friend towed me home, with his ATV.
Here's what we tried:
+rocked the tractor back and forth, to see if locked up.
+inspected the gas tank & sediment bowl; both had gas and the bowl valve was still open(a half-turn, as I had set it). This was an electrical problem.
+visually and by hand, checked the wire connections, to/from solenoid, ignition button, battery. Looked ok.
+to check the battery, after all that bouncing around, removed the positive ground cable at the batt post & the neg from the starter and touched them together. Spark! (and uncomfortably close to the gas tank--probably not a good procedure). Evidently plenty of juice there.
+Reconnected batt cables, and using 2 screwdrivers, attempted to bridge in turn each large solenoid post to the small one on the far side of the solenoid. Nothing. (I don't recall now if I simultaneously depressed the start button.)
+At the garage, I again removed the hot (neg) batt cable and managed to reach the little post of the solenoid, and at the same time pressed the ignition button. Spark! But nothing more, no crank. I then noticed that the large, right-hand post of the solenoid appears to be made of copper, and in removing/replacing the nut I evidently had stripped the post threads. Agh!
+Thinking it next appropriate to inspect the starter internally, we loosened the long retaining bolts to look for "obvious" problems. None found, except yep, the back end of the starter became too loose and would not re-assemble. So...removed the starter, that bushing plate and Bendix. Actually it came out fairly easily. No teeth missing.

[Side question: some folks on line refer to the "Bendix" which I have divined is the same (yes?) as the "starter drive". Terminology confusion again!]

+Since the starter looked (to us chimps) to be ok, I merely wiped the commutator clean and with our four hands we did manage to reinstall the starter with brushes in place. That in itself was a small victory, but ruined by the fact that in removing the oil filter to re-install the starter, we twisted/crimped the bottom copper tube so I suspect that now needs to be replaced.

That's the situation. Diagnosis? Bad solenoid/relay? (only, or starter, too?)

Other inspection procedures to try?

If the starter needs to be replaced (if I can't find a shop to rebuild it here in rural Maine), looking on line I don't see a complete starter & drive unit, but are sold separately. Any tricks to removing/installing the "Bendix", if necessary? Ok to re-use the old Bendix with a new or rebuilt starter?

Finally, guess I'll be shopping for copper tubing (what diameter?), plus bending and flaring tools...

Thanks, guys. We chimps appreciate your willing expertise.

Jeff L.


P.S. Wishing I had a tractor manual like I had for my old VW Bus, "for the compleat idiot". Anybody out there writing one?


Replies:




Add a Reply

Name:
E-Mail:
Subject:

Comments:

Optional Link URL:
Link Title:
Optional Image URL:

Email Notification: If you check this box, email will be sent to you whenever someone replies to this message. Your email address must be entered above to receive notification. This notification will be cancelled automatically after 2 weeks.

TRACTOR   PARTS TRACTOR   MANUALS
Same-Day Shipping! Most of our stocked parts ship the same day you order (M-F).  Expedited shipping available, just call!  Most prices for parts and manuals are below our competitors.  Compare our super low shipping rates!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor.  We are a Company you can trust and have generous return policies!   Shop Online Today or call our friendly sales staff toll free (800) 853-2651. [ More Info ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2014 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters