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Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine

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old

10-22-2013 14:37:32
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Found a nice small 4X32 scope today for a good price but says it is made for a 22 rifle. So will it handle the recoil of an M1 carbine?? Thanks




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DaninKansas

10-23-2013 07:17:42
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to old, 10-22-2013 14:37:32  
Why would you put a scope on a rifle that shoots a 30 cal pistol round? If you are at a range you need a scope it's probably too far away for that rifle.

A 4X32 scope made specifically for a 22 rifle will not last long on a rifle with a heavier recoil.



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old

10-23-2013 08:42:29
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to DaninKansas, 10-23-2013 07:17:42  
M1 carbine is not a pistol round since it is and was a firearm used in WW2 and Koren. It is a small rifle round plan and simple



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Bret4207

10-23-2013 17:03:31
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to old, 10-23-2013 08:42:29  
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To be accurate, the M1 Carbine round is a round designed to be used in a rifle that was intended to replace the 45 ACP M1911A1 pistol. Yes, it's a small rifle round on par with the 32/20 I mentioned earlier or maybe a standard 38 Special load. As long as they are close and you place your shots right, fine. But it's not generally considered a "deer round", anymore than my 32/20, a 25/20, 9mm, 45ACP or 25 Auto. Lets not give some noobie the idea the 30 Carbine is anything like a general purpose deer cartridge.

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old

10-23-2013 17:09:00
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to Bret4207, 10-23-2013 17:03:31  
By no means am I trying to say it is the best choice for deer hunting but when the person has a limit in how much they can hold up it is better then nothing or having a gun that is so heavy they make poor shoots with. To me any round smaller then a 30Cal is to small for deer like the 223 or the 243 or the 22-250mag. I use and have used a Russian SKS as a deer rifle now for over a decade and been very happy with how it preforms and my back up is my 44mag pistol

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DaninKansas

10-23-2013 15:46:16
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to old, 10-23-2013 08:42:29  
The .30 Carbine generates half the muzzle energy of the typical .30-30 Winchester deer rifle round and one-third the energy of the typical .30-06 Springfield round. The game laws of several states do not allow hunting large game with the .30 Carbine either by name or minimum muzzle energy allowed.



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old

10-23-2013 16:34:50
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to DaninKansas, 10-23-2013 15:46:16  
Ah but in the state of Missouri you can hunt with ANY center fire weapon be it a 25cal hand gun or a 50cal rifle the only thing is ANY cartage has to be center fire period. I use a 110 grain hollow point in the M1 and have no trouble dropping a deer with it. Not my preferred gun but when I last used it I had just had shoulder surgery so had to use a light gun. I prefer my Russian SKS and or my 44mag pistol

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CGID

10-23-2013 07:16:07
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to old, 10-22-2013 14:37:32  
For woods hunting at 100 yrds or less, the M1 cartridge is adequate - as long as you don't use military ammo. You must reload with hunting bullets. Shoot accurately with the rifle you have - with the right bullet.



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10-23-2013 08:44:12
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to CGID, 10-23-2013 07:16:07  
Yep I have taken many deer with this light rifle. Plus easy to follow up on the first shot since you have 9 more in the clip. Hunt ammo can also be found in many good gun shops



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Richard from SE AZ

10-22-2013 22:58:54
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to old, 10-22-2013 14:37:32  
I tried deer hunting with an M1 carbine years ago when I fell and threw my 270 down a mountain. Broke the stock, smashed the scope. I was hunting Coes whitetail. Average weight is about 75,80 pounds. Stopped to rest and had one walk up to me at about 30 yards. I hit it three times in the vitals area. Not a drop of blood. Last time I saw it, it was about three canyons away doing about 90 mph. Your deer are much larger. She would be better off with a 243 or a 6MM.

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gwstang

10-23-2013 17:36:42
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to Richard from SE AZ, 10-22-2013 22:58:54  
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I have always wondered why a deer could be wounded (usually a low shot that hits the gut area) and someone finally told me...it is because the guts fall down and plug the wound area so it stops bleeding after a bit.



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10-23-2013 08:46:35
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to Richard from SE AZ, 10-22-2013 22:58:54  
I have never had any trouble with it and dropping a deer. I have always done a heart/lung shot and dropped them right where they where standing. But on my place 50 yards is a long shot most are in at 15-25 yards



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Dusty MI

10-23-2013 15:38:11
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to old, 10-23-2013 08:46:35  
I was in the National Guard, artillery, 1960-1964. We carried the M1 carbine then.

I a Ruger 10-22, which looks like the M1 carbine.



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Bret4207

10-23-2013 04:29:37
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to Richard from SE AZ, 10-22-2013 22:58:54  
The 30 Carbine is a specialist deer rifle IMO. If she takes head shots, putting them right between the lookers under 50 yards, she'll be fine. Otherwise, on heart and lung shots, you're going to be doing a lot of trailing. A nice 357 Mag lever gun or something like a 250 Savage or 243 would be a better, more consistent round to use. Half the problem with the 30 Carbine is the bullets used. I use a 32/20 rifle for a lot of stuff, but use a flat point lead alloy bullet. Again, it's a specialist, short range proposition.

As far as the scope, you can get better made, brighter 1" scopes with better fields of view and more robust internals for $40-50.00 brand new. I'd go that route before trying a 3/4" or 7/8" 22 scope.

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2x4

10-22-2013 21:12:13
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to old, 10-22-2013 14:37:32  
I don't think it will stand the shocks very long, especially if it is an older scope.



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old

10-22-2013 21:31:19
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to 2x4, 10-22-2013 21:12:13  
This brand new never been on a gun BSA scope



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gundoctor

10-22-2013 16:51:41
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to old, 10-22-2013 14:37:32  
If the scope is 1 inch tube it may hold up. If it is a 7/8 inch tube it will be a waste of time.



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charlie n

10-22-2013 16:31:51
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to old, 10-22-2013 14:37:32  
I've got a 4x32 on my model 94 22M.Got it zeroed for 35 yards.



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CGID

10-22-2013 16:15:19
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to old, 10-22-2013 14:37:32  
Can't comment on the recoil question. Have fun trying! The M1 is a great rifle with an interesting history. However, focus distance and parallax distance are two different things and are independant of each other. The scope should be focused for the eye while looking at the sky untill the reticle is clear. There will be some minimum distance inside of which the image will be out of focus but beyond that range the image will be clear. But the reticle can only APPEAR to be at one set distance and in .22 scopes it is 75 feet. If the target is 75 feet away, and the rifle is motionless, moving your eye aroud the objective lens will not make the reticle appear to move on the target. The reticle is "on" the target. This is zero parallax. If the target is closer or further away, when your eye moves, the reticle appears to move on the target. The greater the distance is from 75 feet the greater the apparent movement. It's a matter of optical leverage. The reticle is the fulcum, your eye is one end of the beam and the target is the other. More expensive scopes have a knob or ring to allow parallax adjustment for any range but to be useful the range must be known. With a non-adjustable scope, if the shooter is careful and keeps his eye centered in the lens, there will be no parallex error. Truth be told, it's not a big deal inside 300 yds for hunting accuracy. Beyond that it pays to have an adjustable scope or to be very careful with your eye position. For competative shooting it can't be ignored.

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Ron W

10-22-2013 16:14:41
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to old, 10-22-2013 14:37:32  
I have a 3-9x on my M1 carbine. Nice old gun. Around here it's alot of woods and brush, so you don;t want to be shooting long. Besides it fits really nice in my profile as I go through the brush and swamps without being caught on twigs. I hit 6" groups at 150 yards with it. I got the 3-9x so that I could use it to see distance then I bring it back to about 4-5 to shoot.



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Mike Groom

10-22-2013 15:05:05
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to old, 10-22-2013 14:37:32  
It will probably handle the recoil,the parralax is usually at about 75 feet for .22 scopes,which means it is in focus at that yardage,if you don't want to shoot at longer distance it will work fine,just a little blurry if you want to shoot farther.



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10-22-2013 16:04:07
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to Mike Groom, 10-22-2013 15:05:05  
Reason I want to scope the M1 carbine is that it is a light rifle and my wife does not have any problem holding it up for deer hunting and most shoots in my area are under 100 yards



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elmersooner

10-22-2013 17:48:20
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to old, 10-22-2013 16:04:07  
i like the peep sights on them rascals, a simmons 8 point is a decent bottom dollar scope, bsa makes a few good ones too-recoil no problem for them--about 50 bucks though. if you still want the 22 scope make sure it is a 1 inch tube as mentioned.



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10-22-2013 18:02:03
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 Re: Rifle scope question one mead for 22 on a M1 carbine in reply to elmersooner, 10-22-2013 17:48:20  
It is the standard 1 inch type and is a BSA by the way. Just made for a 22 rifle so the rings are small for the 22 rail but I have rings laying around so that is no problem. My wife's eye sight is bad enough that she need the scope



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