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Ryan

10-19-2004 08:32:02




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I ran across a website the other day that sold multiple kinds of tobacco. I was wondering what a typical plant might yield? Also, is it necessary to top all types of tobacco and when is this done? One site sold bulk seed by the thousands...what is a typical germination rate for starting indoors? In other words, how many seeds and how many plants would I need? I also wondered about curing the tobacco? Has anyone cured any on a small scale at home? Any ideas on this? Thanks in advance.

Ryan

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kyhayman

10-19-2004 14:28:20




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 Re: Home grown tobacco in reply to Ryan, 10-19-2004 08:32:02  
I have to smile..... .... just enjoying the thought of NOT raising tobacco any more of any type, except what I want for me to chew (and I got a master and a most of a PhD in tobacco fertility). A lot depends on what you plan to do with it (which product do you wish to replicate?). Curing conditions are radically different for the different types and you will wind up with something vile (to smoke or chew) if cured incorrectly to type. Yield, a cured stick of 6 plans will yield about 3-6# of stripped cured leaf (of which is 50% leaf stem which you wont want). These will compose all of the stalk grades and again, have radically different tastes and qualities. Scale is relative, for personal use 500 plants would keep the family smoking for a year. Cigarette tobacco is a mixture of flue cured and bright air cured with some exotic tobaccos for flavor. Snuff is mostly dark fired, chew is mostly dark air cured. My preference for chew is bright air cured (burley) without flavorings. I'll be glad to help but need to know what your end product is.

Topping is a must, gives you better spread in the top of the plant and triggers a lot of desirable plant changes (for flavor and burning quality) Also chloride containing fertilizers (muriate of potash) wreck the burning qualities and give off tastes.

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Ryan

10-20-2004 07:45:15




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 Re: Home grown tobacco in reply to kyhayman, 10-19-2004 14:28:20  
Here are some of the varieties I am considering. Supposedly each pack of seeds will yield 25 plants, I am considering all or some of them.

Greenwood Dark: Medium smooth leaf, cures to a dark brown with fine chewing tobacco flavor. High Yield.

Narrow Leaf Madole: An old Kentucky favorite used by many growers for it's thin, dark leaves,. Also a good cigar wrapper as well as chewing tobacco. Good yield and cures well.

Black Sea Samsun Turkish: This Turkish tobacco is among the best Turkish money can buy. Originating in the Samsun region in Turkey, along the Black Sea, this tobacco is renowned for its unique rich flavour. This plant has smaller leaves than other strains, but a very distinctive aroma. An excellent Turkish blend or unique by itself.

Tennessee Red Leaf: A fast growing, high yeilding tobacoo with large leaves that cure to a red color, excellent cigarette and pipe blend.

Jasmine Tobacco: sweet scented alata: A very sweet scented flowering tobacco with pure white trumpte shaped flowers 3-4" long and 1-1/2" wide. Very free flowering. Fall sown seedlings make great pot plants for growing during the winter. A beautiful addition to any flower garden. It is very popular in Brazil and is fast gaining popularity in the U.S.

Tree Tobacco:Glauca. : A graceful tree that grows to 20 ft. with bright trumpet shaped yellow flowers and striking glaucous-blue foliage. From Argentina. It makes a wonderful tub plant. Can be grown outdoors in warm climates and makes a striking garden specimen. It is highly valued for its chewing, smoking, and medicinal uses. It is said to have only trace nicotine. Hardy to 15 degrees. It will flower when very young.

Hungarian "szamosi" dark tobacco: A very popular Hungarian tobacco with full rich flavor. The lower 5-6 leaves are used for cigars or pipe tobacco and the upper leaves are used for medium flavored cigarettes or for pipe tobacco. The huge leaves can be up to 24-30" long and 16" wide. A heavy producer.

Perique Tobacco: Rare and famous Lousiana tobacco known for it's dark, black color and unique flavor. Tobacco was originally cured by stuffing into hollow logs until fermentation.

Indian Tobacco: Rustica: A half hardy annual that grows to about 3 ft and is cultivated worldwide for smoking and nicotine production. Has many yellow flowers that remain open during the day. It is so potent that it has been used as an arrow poison in Mexico. Can be raised as far North as Maine.

Madole Tobacco: Tabacum madole: A fine commercial variety that is fast growing and hardy. I recommend growing this one if you smoke cigars.

Small black stalk Black Mammoth: Tabacum: This is a deep dark tobacco that gives good weight and supports itself very well. This is a tobacco prized by speciality growers becasue it provides a great wrapper tobacco or a premium snuff tobacco when ripe. A good tobacco for beginners learning to roll their own cigars or for first time snuff makers.


I am mainly interested in cigarette, pipe, and cigar tobacco (and rolling leaves). Would there be issues if these plants were all planted in the same general area? Also, any ideas how much area I will need. I have no idea how many plants usually constitue an acre.

Ryan

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kyhayman

10-20-2004 15:11:52




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 Re: Home grown tobacco in reply to Ryan, 10-20-2004 07:45:15  
Most of these are dark air cured tobacco. I'd probably want some burley varieties to lighten the blend a little, this would make a very pungent mix. For smokong, most of your better blends will be from 20-40% bright leaf. (it will also add to the burning quality). Per acre is 7000-8000 plants. Typically set on 40" rows.

Greenwood is going to be really bitter.

Not much problem growing together, will need dfferent harvesting strategies. The wrapper tobacco will need to be raised under shade cloth and cured shaded or it will 'scald'.

For cigarettes you would want a flue cured blend.

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jc

10-29-2004 17:17:52




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 Re: Home grown tobacco in reply to kyhayman, 10-20-2004 15:11:52  
Madole and Black Mammoth are dark fired types in our area. Need hardwood smoke to flavor them. Will you continue to produce tobacco after the buyout?



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kyhayman

10-29-2004 22:04:25




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 Re: Home grown tobacco in reply to jc, 10-29-2004 17:17:52  
I actually quit growing 4 years ago except for a couple of acres for the school plus I help my dad in his if he needs me. Mixed feelings on the buyout. So much history and culture in the business. As for me personally, when I mde the choice to quit, I cut up my barns for extra hay storage to make a clean break. He's quitting this year and we are with the school crop too. Starting tomorrow putting stalls into his barns for boarding horses.

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Robert in W. Mi.

10-21-2004 15:13:37




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 Re: Home grown tobacco in reply to kyhayman, 10-20-2004 15:11:52  
Hey, why don't you just cut out the "middle man", and use a gun?? That way you won't have to suffer on oxygen for 10 or 15 years before you die.

Robert



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Ryan

10-23-2004 06:49:40




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 Re: Home grown tobacco in reply to Robert in W. Mi., 10-21-2004 15:13:37  
I can't speak for kyhayman but I don't smoke or chew tobacco. I want to grow the stuff for a challenge, not to consume. Also, like the little lady tells me all the time, "Everything in moderation".

Ryan



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