Looking to recover 1/2 acre of marsh land

There's lots more but I'm interested in part of it that gets decent sun close to the logging trails. I can walk through most of it although I best have muck boots on. Bunch of cat tails, some bushes and a few trees. I don't have a plow but I was thinking after clearing / cutting I could use the tractor / loader to bring in tons of mulch. Then go in with compost / manure & lime. Then till in a few tons of topsoil. Looking for some advice & direction on this.
End goal is a new plot for soy beans. Might have to use other annual / perennials to build it up first but I think it could be a good project.
 
Can not say in your area but in many place it is not legal to do any thing to wet lands. I have one area like that on my place and I dug out a small lake and that in turn made the higher ground solid. And yes while many would say it was a pond by definition it is a lake due to having and inlet and and outlet
 
They'd throw me in jail here for doing that. Fedral laws are
tough, my state laws are even tougher.

Ain't no way.....

Paul
 
NY State freshwater wetland laws define a wetland--and has minimum area definition for a fresh water wetland--I don't remember what it was but i think 1/2 acre is well below the threshold--check with DEC to be sure--anominously
 
It would be wise to check with the dec yes. The area can get damp even saturated after a good rain but there is no standing water. Except where the skidder went through.
 
if no standing water they usually do an inventory of the types of vegetation there---certain grasses and plants are classified as wetlands
 
You're gettin' pretty technical on us here Old! Ponds also have inlets and outlets. "In my mind", a "lake" is something big enough to launch a boat and pull a skier. All others are just ponds.
 
As per Webster a pond is formed by run off and does not have a stream filling it or a spring and then has a outlet as in another steam going out of it. As per Webster size does not come into play
 
Yep,here in Michigan,if it's got cat tails,you might have a deed and pay taxes,but for all intent and purposes the state might as well own it.
 

Alright I am awaiting a response from the dec. Should hear back in a few days. Then I'll know if I can proceed or axe the plan. There are other areas on the property I can work-turn into plots.
 
Funny thing is I've got a hilly place I farm that the FSA has 30 acres base farmable on the maps (Indiana) and about 6 acres at the bottom is as wet as a wetland ever was... Its so wet I don't even try to farm it, and has all sorts of interesting cattails and plants, but it must have gotten grandfathered in as base acres. The 6 acres could be farmed maybe 1 out of every 3 years if a guy wasn't afraid to get stuck.
 
If there is arable land abutting it, I would just start filling a small amount every year and not say a word to anyone. If you call them out they WILL find something they don't like.
 
nah......they"d still want the tax money! Same here- MN claims all the water that falls on land.....I can"t charge a "storage" fee to keep it in the wetland! But in St. Paul, no one rents them private property for storage without getting paid for it!
 
(quoted from post at 11:23:52 10/25/13) aside from all the legal stuff, any way you can get a tile run in there to get the water off?
The surrounding area is slightly higher woodland I'd have to say no.
Next year I'll be able to monitor the affects of the new opened areas from the logging, we'll see how much stays dried up or not.
 
I have received a detailed reply from the dec.
In breif; "In order for NYS DEC to map and regulate wetland, the wetland must be 12.4 acres or larger, with smaller wetlands allowed under specific unusual circumstances." I also checked the dec resource mapper and the area is clear between two "Wetland Checkzones".
But I still think I need to pull back from the table on this idea. Realizing it is cost prohibitive just for a food plot.
 
For farming here in Minnesota, the FSA office, the DNR, and a
state overseer all get very involved in wetlands issues.

They take it very seriously.

All three agencies do not talk between each other, you need to
take your paperwork from one to the other, and get approval
from all 3.

I wish I could live under your rules.

There are many efforts afoot to make what I have to deal with
a national program, adding another agency that would need to
approve everything.

Frankly, of you are allowed to drain or build up something, do
so if you can.

That will end soon.

Paul
 
A post hole auger run deep as it will go in several spots can really dry one up, done discreetly of course.........just saying!
 

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