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IaGary 12-20-2012 16:21:40 108.160.228.103 Report to Moderator	If I have a sample of non gmo corn is there a test to tell if it was organical grown? Can you have GMO grain and still be Organic? [Reply]   [No Email]
MFPoor 12-23-2012 05:23:09 72.4.0.230 Report to Moderator	Re: Organic or Non GMO in reply to IaGary, 12-20-2012 16:21:40   There are actually SEVERAL reasonably accurate, quick, economical tests to determine GMO grains. In spite of all the ridiculous claims made by anti-GMO conspiracy theorist,s GMO's have no undetectable "black art" to them. They employ genetically introduced proteins that are not found in non gmo crops as the "active ingredient". It's a simple matter of testing for those proteins. Most grain elevators use a simple "strip test" to check for these proteins in grain being sold as non GMO or organic. Can be performed in a matter of a few minutes. [Reply]  [No Email]
IaGary 12-23-2012 05:37:29 108.160.228.103 Report to Moderator	Re: Organic or Non GMO in reply to MFPoor, 12-23-2012 05:23:09   Oh yeah I know about the GMO tests. But is there an easy test to check for Organic verses Non GMO? Sounds like a lot of the organic is done on good faith. Maybe I don't understand the record keeping system that they use. Gary [Reply]  [No Email]
MFPoor 12-23-2012 05:50:36 72.4.0.230 Report to Moderator	Re: Organic or Non GMO in reply to IaGary, 12-23-2012 05:37:29   From what I read here, posted by a few of the Non GMO advocates, THEY don't fully understand the record keeping/certification it takes to truly qualify as "organic". It seems some think just badmouthing what they don't understand is enough to qualify them as organic farmers. There's a great deal to actually being CERTIFIED ORGANIC. And when push comes to shove, they're EITHER Certified organic, or they aren't really organic, just claiming so to capitalize on a fad. That said, so long as they have PROPER documentation, and their crops test free of GMO proteins, it is a lot of "good faith" and there is a LOT of room for rule bending. [Reply]  [No Email]
MFPoor 12-23-2012 05:29:49 72.4.0.230 Report to Moderator	Re: Organic or Non GMO in reply to MFPoor, 12-23-2012 05:23:09   Types of effective and accurate GMO testing Nothing to fear [Reply]  [No Email]
IaGary 12-21-2012 04:55:34 108.160.228.103 Report to Moderator	Re: Organic or Non GMO in reply to IaGary, 12-20-2012 16:21:40   I was just kinda wondering if and howthey test for all these things. I don"t grow organic or non GMO at this time. I use to try to grow Non GMO but half my loads would get rejected as Non GMO cause of pollen from my neighbors. Was also wondering if a guy was raising organic meat or milk and bought corn that was non organic how would anyone know at the meat counter. Cause unless I am mistaking most of organic cert is the honor systen depending on the records the organic guys keeps. I"m thinking organic feed may be in short supply this year, as is all feed, and a little cheating may go on and who would ever know. Just thinking out loud here on a cold Iowa morning. Gary [Reply]  [No Email]
scotc 01-06-2013 21:44:57 75.238.136.175 Report to Moderator	Re: Organic or Non GMO in reply to IaGary, 12-21-2012 04:55:34   I have a friend who sells used equipment. Had a vegetable grower in looking at a tractor. He asked if they were organic. Reply: "No, we try not to use any more chemicals than we absolutely need to, but we have a neighbor certified organic and he uses a LOT of chemicals". [Reply]  [No Email]
Formerly PaMIke 12-23-2012 14:10:05 24.152.202.123 Report to Moderator	Re: Organic or Non GMO in reply to IaGary, 12-21-2012 04:55:34   I sold a bunch of baleage to an Amish organic farmer that turned the milk into cheese and sold it for big money. When I was in his office and he was writting the check to me, I noticed some of the cheese. I kind of blurted out, without thinking, "oh, I didnt know you were organic." He got real sheepish and said. "Well,umm. since its mixed grass baleage I figured you really dont spray it since you would kill the clover..." I had sprayed with Basagran and 24DB, but that was his problem,not mine.... [Reply]  [No Email]
IaGary 12-24-2012 03:48:47 108.160.228.103 Report to Moderator	Re: Organic or Non GMO in reply to Formerly PaMIke, 12-23-2012 14:10:05   That"s extactly what I am talking about Mike. Gary [Reply]  [No Email]
sammydwm 12-21-2012 00:52:10 184.95.78.109 Report to Moderator	Re: Organic or Non GMO in reply to IaGary, 12-20-2012 16:21:40   If there is a shortage of seed available a grower may be allowed to plant a non organic type but it will be heavily documented and approved by the growers certifier and I would believe that a GMO breed would still be out of the question. There are a lot of non organic non GMO hybrids to go through first... [Reply]  [No Email]
770guy 12-20-2012 20:15:30 98.132.204.55 Report to Moderator	Re: Organic or Non GMO in reply to IaGary, 12-20-2012 16:21:40   I've heard that if you're selling organic corn to markets like food grade they have a test to check for GMO contamination. If they find a high enough percentage it can fail to qualify for sale. As far as I know though, if the grain is certified organic grown it will still qualify for organic feed grade. This is something I've heard from others though. We are organic, but by the time we feed all the cattle we never have to worry about having any extra to sell. There is actually a organic seed company called Blue River that has started to market varieties with a trait they call Pura Maize. These varieties a supposedly bred to resist contamination from neighboring GMO fields. [Reply]  [No Email]
paul 12-20-2012 16:51:01 66.44.133.112 Report to Moderator	Re: Organic or Non GMO in reply to IaGary, 12-20-2012 16:21:40   1. I don't think there is a practical test. I suppose some $1400 test can look for traces of things, but don't know what it would prove. Organic is more of a process and paperwork. 2. No. Honey gets a pass on GMO due to it's nature, otherwise no. --->Paul [Reply]  [No Email]
Animal 12-20-2012 17:14:26 76.0.45.68 Report to Moderator	Re: Organic or Non GMO in reply to paul, 12-20-2012 16:51:01   Some times if the seed you want to use is unavailable in certified organic, you can use an untreated non gmo seed. They do have some sort of test for gmo seeds and that is a definate no. [Reply]  [No Email]