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Discussion Board - Manure ordor

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Tony W

09-15-2012 05:12:32
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I have a neighbor that has come to me stating the my cattle manure is smelling and not allowing her to have coffee on the deck in the mornings. I have put 150 pounds of lime on the pile, (that does not smell) and on the fresh droppings about every other day and still she is not happy. I will be putting it on the alfalfa when the 4th cutting is removed but until then-? The smell is coming from the just dropped stuff and not the old. She has handed a paper with Smelleze info and can not find any ingredient info and what it changes in the soil when put back on the ground. Have e-amiled the company. What I am asking is what do you that run cattle do for the odor issue on your farms? Thanks for the non-smell inputs.

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jackinok

09-18-2012 09:22:31
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
here, we will sometimes dump a load of sand in a pen if it gets to smelling pretty bad.cattle invariably if penned seem to make a hole that stays damp and compacts underneath like hardpan so it doesnt dry good.sand will let it dry out faster, and help the smell.you might even rip it up some first. dont know that it will help you but sand is cheap.



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paul

09-17-2012 19:34:20
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
Reading just the 1st message posted, there is so much to assume about all this, it's easy to pick a side based on local similar situations.....

If you are more in a housing area and not a farming area, you probably should be getting the manure out of there more often than every 6 years or so.

While I have a right to farm in my county ad make manure smells, I can't let manure pile up that long, would be a viloation of other rules.

Glad you are trying to consider the neighbors and despite the initial message, perhaps your neighbor is calmly addressing this as well....

Hope you find a happy middle ground.

A lot of the additives that are supposed to help with odors are for liquid manures, not sure you will find much relief from a bottle for your old piles of manure.

My wife picks up on smells that I do not - I wonder if there is some earthy odor coming from the old piles that some of us guys don't even notice, but bothers others????

--->Paul

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Tony W

09-17-2012 12:53:20
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
I did not menfion that the pile is six years worth but two. I was not able to clean out due to ot at work last year. The pen has been there for that time and cleaned every year. Well.



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gary in neb.

09-17-2012 07:42:05
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
i'm in a similar situation with cows in a small pen. what i have found, is if i go "mix" the pile of manure each week or two, it breaks down faster and dont smell as long. my neighbors are not that close, but just dont wanna create issues. my 2cents worth anyway.



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Old Iron

09-17-2012 07:11:48
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to spacecadet9, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
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Tony, I did a google search of "how good does Smelleze work" (something you could also have done), and it seems that Smelleze is for INDOOR odors such as mothballs, cat urine, and etc.

so NO,.... I don't think "Smelleze" will work on an 120'x80' cow pen with a 6 year accumulation of manure, but I have NO personal experience with the product so I can't say for sure.

Yes this is still the USA,... but,... as one "vet" to another, that doesn't give us a ticket to do what we want at the expense of others.

I'm sure you already know this, and I hope that is NOT what you meant by your comment.

As for a guess regarding your predicament, I'm guessing you have very little acreage, no pasture at all, and have more cows then you can eat in a year,... so the manure is building up and the smell is bothering a close neighbor.

If I were you,... I'd probably cut back on raising the number of "beeves" my family could eat each year (2), and even turn a small portion of my alfalfa field into a garden (but that is just what I would do, based on the details you've given us so far).

Someone else here probably has an even better idea than what I've posted.

I wish you well, and hope you get this figured out to your, AND your neighbor's, satisfaction.

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Tony W

09-17-2012 03:41:48
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
Old Iron, seems like your are the first to read the question posted. I am the type to try and do good to all. Like the bible says. Now back to the question, has anyone tried the Smelleze product. Ok I an south end of a north bound mull, but doing the best for my family as you all. 120x80 pen and 6 cows in no worse than feeding bucket calve in the plastic 6x6 huts is it? It is still the USA and a vet from war time should be able to provide for his family fresh grown food and not the B.S from Wally world. If anyone wants to inspect I invite them and will cook the burgers on the grill, fresh grown ones.

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Old Iron

09-16-2012 19:34:36
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to hayray, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
Well let's see,... the lady was enjoying her coffee and fresh air on the porch BEFORE you moved in next door, then you bought a few cows and calves, and the manure started building up over the years.

She was also kind enough to let you farm a little bit of her ground in a manner that benefits you BOTH,... and she hasn't complained about the stench until NOW (7 years later).

Some folks will say she should be horse-whipped and told to pack up and move to town if she doesn't like the smell.

I say,... maybe we should try looking at things from her perspective, since she has lived there longer than you.
Would we like it if someone moved in next door to us and started playing loud blaring rap-music 24/7, or something else that we might find offensive?

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Tony W

09-16-2012 13:38:09
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
The pen has been 400 feet from her house for the last 6 years and never a comment before. The alfalfa field is 100 feet east and is where manure has been put for the same amount of time. The pile that is in the pen is not what smells, it is the fresh piles laid today and she does not like that. The pile is in the pen so the cows can get up out of any mud when it rains. I can not control that aspect. The alfalfa field is only three feet form the pen so any run off is in the field and going away from here house. I got a good deal on the cows so bought 4 380 pound and two buckets in March, which are in there also. Two will be leaving us soon for the dinner table. Yes small pen but the alfalfa feeds all just right.

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Teddy (punchie)

09-16-2012 19:35:43
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-16-2012 13:38:09  
Talk to her ask her if she can think of a way to fix it.

Keep her in the loop if you and her can talk it out. I think she may think you are doing something to make it smell worse. Make sure she knows you are try to be a good neighbor.

Plus that you posted online ask for advise. I think she will just say, well it is what it is the smell of cows and we are in the country. Try spreading before a rain better for the ground and smell.

Like me if I burn I'm on a farm and can burn anytime but why would I burn if I know my neighbor trying to dry clothes on a line or if it is nice and there windows are all open. I look at it as be a good neighbor. Make too many mad and then they go to a township meeting and ask to change the laws. Be neighborly if you can.

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Old Iron

09-16-2012 09:44:43
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to paul, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
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That's sort'a what I was thinking too,...



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sammydwm

09-16-2012 09:28:14
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
6 in a small pen..

So you built a CAFO next door to her...

I suppose she would be upset



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Old Iron

09-16-2012 08:47:23
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to kyhayman, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
How far is the 120'x80' cow pen from her house?

How far are the manure piles from her house?

How many acres are in alfalfa and how close is your alfalfa field to her house?

Just curious for more details.



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Tony W

09-16-2012 06:26:10
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
Thank You for all replies. To answer a few thoughts, she was here first and we moved in 7 years ago and built a very small family cow raising operation for the family to have fresh beef and not the store $hi!. The cows (6) are in a 120x 80 pen that when the run off from rain and when I over flow the water, it will run into the alfalfa field at the end of the pen. So that goes opposite to her house. I did not get to spread the pile last year due to weather so this year it all goes out on the field. She also allows me to farm here one acre so she does not have to mow, which is the alfalfa now. And do give her fresh eggs and fresh beef for the land use. So do need to walk a fine line here. I will not cave in and stop raising the beef and chickens. Thanks again, it is nice to hear other views on this issue. I have check the county ordinances about this and all they are stating is clean food, water and shelter. Hope you all smell money today!

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old

09-16-2012 10:07:08
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-16-2012 06:26:10  
Yep best to check any and all zoning laws in that area. You may find you have to do something else or you may find you have the right to have them. I have neighbors that are trying to impose restrictions on me that they signed for but I did not and the restrictions are contract restriction not zoned so they have no leg to stand on but yet they think they can tell me I can not do what I have done for 32 years. Yep I am the old guy in the area and have been here longer then any one else and the land has been owned by my family since 1976 way before any of these clowns have even been in this area

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donjr

09-16-2012 06:01:52
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
Give her a realty flyer for the next county over....



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ihman73

09-15-2012 22:00:43
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
As much as I'd like to tell to blow off your neighbor be advised if you do you'd best be ready if she sends the EPA out to "investigate" a potential "source of nutrient runoff". I ran into a dairy guy we got acquainted with when we were still milking through our co-op and he got that visit last fall. Now he has to jump through all the hoops to keep them happy and avoid paying protection to them. I have never regretted leaving the dairy business when we did. They won't say boo about my half dozen stock cows on pasture because I'm not a Confined Animal Feeding Operation.

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eldo case

09-15-2012 21:12:42
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
John in La has it right!!!!



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Retired Farmer

09-15-2012 20:46:29
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
Tell her she will get used to it after awhile. Could also maybe give her a tour of your operation. Might enlighten her a little.



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flying belgian

09-15-2012 20:40:44
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
Tell her you don't like the way her grass smells when she cuts it. What's she going to do about it? Money smells different to everyone.



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flying belgian

09-15-2012 20:42:04
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to flying belgian, 09-15-2012 20:40:44  
Or better yet,tell her you don't like the way her coffee smells.



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John A.

09-15-2012 17:12:18
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
Tony W. To answer your Question.....Not a dam thing!!! I too echo the rest of the Neighbors here!
Tell Her is is Normal Cattle Smells. She had better be glad You don't run Hogs!. Now,,, Move ALL Your Cattle into the Pasture Next to here house. Inform her as others have said, Get a sign Like the one at the bottom of the page here. This is still America and your farm is a working farm,,,if she doesn't like the Smells , She shouldn't have bought a place next to a Farm or ranch that has livestock. City people what nerve!!
Tell her to take a flying hike! You have DONE Nothing Wrong!!!! She is Butting into Affairs that are NONE of her Business!!!!
This Witch has to be shut down NOW.,,, She will continue to needle You every time the wind changes directions or every time harvest time comes and you are combining at 11:00 pm at Nite.
Or when the bull services a cow and their kids see it. Shut this CRAP Down NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
Later,
John A.

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SD Pete

09-15-2012 16:21:48
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
Out here we let it ferment.



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jimva

09-15-2012 13:25:24
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
Tell her "tough $hit" your a farmer and your farming and if she doesnt like it then move.



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old

09-15-2012 09:33:24
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
Who was there first?? If you did you have the cows when she got there?? Now if she was there first then maybe she has a leg to stand on unless there are other farms in the area but likely she can only complain about it either have to live with it or move.



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Animal

09-15-2012 09:31:32
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
That is a girl that I would like to hook up with, I need a woman that can not stand the smell of money!!!!

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Vito

09-15-2012 07:22:59
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
Tell her to move back to the city or learn to embrace the sight,sounds and odors that rural life offers.Don't cow down to her.

Vito



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kj(seil)

09-15-2012 07:40:52
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Vito, 09-15-2012 07:22:59  
ditto!!!! I grew up on a beef/crop farm moved to town, couldn't wait to get out of there, city smells are much worse.



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John in La

09-15-2012 06:51:32
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
Put up this sign where she can see it.




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Erik Ks farmer

09-15-2012 05:29:51
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 Re: Manure ordor in reply to Tony W, 09-15-2012 05:12:32  
Not a darn thing. She wanted to live in the country, and I will go out on a limb and say that you're operation was there before she was. There is nothing in manure that's going to kill her, I work in a warehouse, and I love to go out in the lot when I come home check the girls and get some fresh air. Next time, remind her that those steaks she buys in the grocery store come from cows.



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