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Discussion Board - Re: Chisel plow vs Moldboard plow

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JohnDeereGreen

08-06-2012 11:44:27
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Few more questions,
How deep do most guys chisel plow? I moldboard plow at least 12"". How can a moldboard plow be more likely to cause a plow pan than a chisel plow IF both are going down the same depth?
I don"t see how that no till system works, around here you"d have to chisel/ moldboard to break that ground up, it would be like cement here.




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JMS/.MN

08-07-2012 08:40:20
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 Re: Chisel plow vs Moldboard plow in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 08-06-2012 11:44:27  
Moldboard plow- puts pressure on the entire ground surface under the plowshare. Chisel plow- only under the point of the chisel tooth. Plowing deeper continuously just puts the plowsole layer deeper.



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MF Poor

08-06-2012 16:37:17
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 Re: Chisel plow vs Moldboard plow in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 08-06-2012 11:44:27  
With no till, you rely on freeze/thaw (heaving) and earth worms to rebuild soil structure. It really works...really. When we plowed and disced years ago, we would have "concrete" by the following year. 2 or 3 years without tillage, and I can literally dig down deeper than we ever plowed and find nice mellow soil structure. 20+ years and the ground absorbs rain like a sponge, is mellow, and it's more productive. No tilled ground doesn't suffer from the same compaction woes as ground that's frequently worked. We don't need as much weight on the tractor since we aren't doing tillage, and we make quite a few less pass's across the fields, compaction in minimalized even further.

With any tillage tool, you create layers where soil density changes at the depth you run them. Corn in particular will root to that depth, then start spreading parallel with the surface. The roots simply take the path of least resistance. With no till, you don't have that change in density. Crops will continue to root deeper. That's a major + in drought conditions.

Not all soil works as well, and not all climates support no tilling. But make a commitment to the process and it definately works. Do it right and yields INCREASE, fuel cost DECREASES, time and equipment cost drops, and soil stays where it's supposed to be. With the savings in time, we farm 3 times the ground now as we did in the "old days". And that's with smaller tractors (that use WAY less fuel)

When I first started no tilling, I had my doubts. First year, most doubts were removed. By year 2 or 3, I sent my tillage tools to the sale barn. You couldn't pay me to spend hour upon hour dragging a plow around these days.

Google "plow pan" and get a detailed explaination of why moldboard plows create a compaction layer. That's the biggest single reason why moldboard plows fell from popularity years ago. Still some instances where they have a niche.

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MFPoor

08-07-2012 03:08:03
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 Re: Chisel plow vs Moldboard plow in reply to MF Poor, 08-06-2012 16:37:17  
More no till than conventional tillage in major corn and soy bean producing states for quite some time now. In general, once a farmer tries no tilling, they don't revert to old ways. Higher profits, higher return on investment, more productivity, and less waiting on "perfect conditions" seem to be reason enough.

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MFPoor

08-07-2012 02:57:25
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 Re: Chisel plow vs Moldboard plow in reply to MF Poor, 08-06-2012 16:37:17  
Here's a study done by Iowa State Univ. on no till corn/soybeans.



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MFPoor

08-07-2012 02:54:16
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 Re: Chisel plow vs Moldboard plow in reply to MF Poor, 08-06-2012 16:37:17  
Here's a well documented study on no till wheat.



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jackinok

08-06-2012 12:53:41
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 Re: Chisel plow vs Moldboard plow in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 08-06-2012 11:44:27  
how it works is anything you drag across the ground (or through it) compacts it. it does it on a chisel also but since the points are very narrow it does it on a much smaller scale.the bottoms of a moldboard plow theoreticaly slide on the bottom of the furrow.since its lifting as well as turning it simply pushes down on the soil beneath compacting it. some ground is bad about this other soil will never get a hardpan.your moldboard plowing 12" deep?wow, i cant get that deep here for sure with my rig.

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