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Colin Brown

01-19-2008 18:04:37




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I have a small amount of land (5-6 acres) that I will be working up over time into food plots for deer. I have about 1.5 acres that I'll be working up this spring, and I'll need enough lime and 10-10-10 fertilzer that picking it up from the local hardware store would be way too expensive. I think I have a local source of bulk ag lime (if they'll ever return a phone call). But where can I find bulk fertilizer? According to my soil analysis, I'll need a couple of tons for the acre and a half. There's a local farm co-op (Southern States), and I know that they will spread lime for a price, but I'd rather do this myself and save the money (besides, it's a hobby for me, so I enjoy the work). Since I'm a beginner at all this, things are probably obvious to you that I have no idea about. I'd appreciate any information you can give. Thanks. - CB

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greenbeanman in Kansas

01-22-2008 12:10:11




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 Spray in reply to Colin Brown, 01-19-2008 18:04:37  
Have you considered using liquid fertilizer rather than granular?

I would think it hard to get all of the granular residue out of a pickup bed or whatever you might haul it in which might lead to corrosion. Liquid would be easier to contain for hauling. Not bad to put on either, but it is more expensive in most cases.



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Leland

01-22-2008 10:28:06




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 Re: Bulk fertilizer and lime? in reply to Colin Brown, 01-19-2008 18:04:37  
Just wait a while and somewhere like Home depot or Lowes will have 12-12-12 on sale in 50lb bags better than triple 10 ,and they also will have pelletized lime as well this lime works faster than regular lime .after all 9-10 bags of 12 should be enough



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paul

01-21-2008 15:54:54




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 Re: Bulk fertilizer and lime? in reply to Colin Brown, 01-19-2008 18:04:37  
Anyone got any manure they could spread on your plots? Do the lime & manure, forget the commercial fert for a year or 2.

10-10-10 would be a poor fert to order, if you established some good clover last year you already have 40+ lbs of N in the ground, you'll only need another 30-50 to make 100 bu corn. I can't see you going for 200bu the first year, you might only want to aim for 75bu yields? It's a food plot....

P & K it's hard for the crop to use more than 60 lbs of either if you are looking at 100bu corn.

If you put on 500 lbs of 10-10-10 per acre (15 bags?) and if the lime was working already you'd get 100bu corn from the 50lbs of actual you were getting.

I'd look for a better mix tho of fert. Starter here is 5-22-Iforgetbut 18 orso. 500 lbs of that per acre will break the bank this year, but give you a heck of a buildup of P&K for the next 3 years, and you can add a little N as you put a crop in.

Fert dealers here deliver bulk, if you have some place to dump it in, wagon or such. Note that you will rust the heck out of anything of course....

You might need to have the whole 6 acres done this year, let them spread the lime & then spread the P&K. Those will help whatever you grow, & 6 acres might be enough to make it work for them. then you can add the N (which disappears much qucicker than P & K) as you want to yourself.

Note that I put on more N, but less P&K than this for my corn fields, where I want 175+ yields & next year's bean P&K needs as well. You should not need tons of fert per acre! Lime I understand, but no way on the N-P-K!

--->Paul

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kyhayman

01-20-2008 22:53:29




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 Re: Bulk fertilizer and lime? in reply to Colin Brown, 01-19-2008 18:04:37  
Try taking your soil test paperwork to Southern States and talk to them about bulk. They dont run bulk plants at each store but typically have 3-8 in each 10 store district. For only 1.5 acres I cant imagine it taking more than a few hundred pounds though. Typically a ton is the least they will blend.

Case in point, with tobacco, a super high value and very fertilizer intensive crop you might be talking 3000 (1 ton of 5-10-15 and a 1000 pounds ammonium nitrate was the old standard without soil testing, though rarely did I need that much phosphate) pounds or so per acre of fertilizer with a low soil test. Rarely do I find a field calling for more than 500 pounds for any other crop unless its vegetables (winter squash sometimes takes upwards of a ton per acre) . Lime, sure, you can get some fields that need a lot but even then a 7-10 ton single axle truck load would be a lot.

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Vally Farm

01-20-2008 22:06:49




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 Re: Bulk fertilizer and lime? in reply to Colin Brown, 01-19-2008 18:04:37  
Just keep in mind that fert. won't do much until the PH is brought up by the lime. It takes a good year for the lime to get a working. Some will say different, and some will say to use fast acting lime (which takes just as long to work), But to put fert down with the lime is throwing money away. Add the lime, prep the field, and run a cover crop like buckwheat for the first year. Turn it under when it just starts to bloom. Otherwise some may go to seed and that can cause a problem. If you get an early spring to start, then you should get two crops in. Int the fall go with rye for a cover crop in the winter. Next spring turn the rye under, wait at least 1 week, and then you fert and plant your crop. You'll have good PH, plenty of organic matter, and a nice healthy soil to work with. Mike :D

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paulinkansas

01-20-2008 21:56:34




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 Re: Bulk fertilizer and lime? in reply to Colin Brown, 01-19-2008 18:04:37  
if you have a pickup and a leaf blower, you can get half a ton of lime and blow it out the back with the leaf blower while someone else drives it around. it should take you about an hour to spread a ton.



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Colin Brown

01-20-2008 21:19:02




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 Re: Bulk fertilizer and lime? in reply to Colin Brown, 01-19-2008 18:04:37  
Thanks to everyone for all the great information. The plot I'm working is very poor - it used to be forest floor and had never been worked. I'm trying to turn the dirt that's there now into something resembling soil.

I'm sure that I remember the amount of lime called for in the soil analysis. But since I haven't seen that piece of paper in a while (I have a great filing system - a place for everything, and everything all over the place :oops: ), I don't recall the NPK numbers. That analysis was done in the summer of 2006, so it's probably time to get a new one done before I spend time and money spreading minerals on the field.

I seeded ladino clover last fall, and I recently overseeded with annual ryegrass, just to try to get some organic material to work into the ground in the spring. Hopefully, in a couple of years, I'll manage to get this ground to be passably productive. Thanks again for all your help. - CB

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Old Ford Mechanic

01-20-2008 10:37:02




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 Re: Bulk fertilizer and lime? in reply to Colin Brown, 01-19-2008 18:04:37  
You should not need more than 500-600lbs fertilizer.Too much will keep anything from germinating or growing.Rule of thumb on grass around here is 300lbs to an acre.



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BC in TN

01-20-2008 06:49:49




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 Re: Bulk fertilizer and lime? in reply to Colin Brown, 01-19-2008 18:04:37  
Colin:

Take a closer look at your soil sample information. It is likely telling you that you need 1.5 tons of lime per acre. Really, the fertilizer information is sort of hard to read. 10-10-10 is an odd mix unless it is sack fertilizer sold by the bag.

Bottom line is you can't make the fertilizer or the lime. I take my soil sample to my local farmers Co-op and tell them what I'm going to fertilize - grain, pasture, etc and they mix and load into a buggy (four wheel wagon which is pulled with my pickup and then spread with tractor and pto). For the lime you can rent a buggy and get the amount of lime you want loaded. You can spread that with your tractor and pto as well. The only way to find "real" savings on this is shop around - you'll pay more to have the vendor spread it - or you can do it yourself and may or may not really save any money.

Hope this informtion helps.

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dk

01-20-2008 06:11:19




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 Re: Bulk fertilizer and lime? in reply to Colin Brown, 01-19-2008 18:04:37  
Ummm....yeah. Lime maybe, you shouldn't need more than a few small bags of fertilizer. If you spread a couple tons of fertilizer on an acre and a half don't expect anything much to grow their for YEARS, you're going to sterilize it.



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IaGary

01-20-2008 04:34:15




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 Re: Bulk fertilizer and lime? in reply to Colin Brown, 01-19-2008 18:04:37  
You better look again at the analysis.

I"ve never heard of land the needed tons of fertilizer for 1.5 acres.

If it does it will be way to expensive at a $400 to $600 per ton cost at this time.

Maybe you are saying tons of lime to 1.5 acres,if you are that can would be right.

Gary



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TGIN

01-20-2008 04:15:06




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 Re: Bulk fertilizer and lime? in reply to Colin Brown, 01-19-2008 18:04:37  
Find a stone quary in your area for the lime .



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