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cash for clunker tractors

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2-155OWNER

04-13-2011 12:56:59
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Just wanted to let you all know of a program in California that pays farmers for older tractors.Heard a sad story of a good running 6030 deere with a cab that was driven up to the scrap heap an had holes punched in the block and trans.They won"t even let it be salvaged for parts.The farmer got $ 77,000 of our tax dollars toward a new tractor.This is government run amok.When will farmers and others stop looking to the govnmt"for help and then complain when they interfere?

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2-155owner

04-14-2011 20:07:46
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 Re: cash for clunker tractors in reply to 2-155OWNER, 04-13-2011 12:56:59  
Yes I am sure its the real deal,our dealership is the one selling the replacement tractor.I am not sure if this program is state wide or by region,as we have different boards that put out different programs.Some are state wide others are not,some use federal stimulus money others get some kind of grant.Typical government,create a problem and then come to the rescue with "free money".Then tell us the don"t have any money and have to raise taxes.I know it sounds like I should be grateful we are selling a tractor because of this "program",but tho whole thing stinks all the way back to the over regulation in this state.And if you think this is not coming to your state,just wait, the federal epa thinks what we do here in Ca. is just a great road map to go nation wide.I heard Obamas EPA head say just that in a speech a while back.

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glen johnson

04-14-2011 11:21:00
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 Re: cash for clunker tractors in reply to 2-155OWNER, 04-13-2011 12:56:59  
That doesnt suprise me... but then you here that the state is broke...gee wonder why? typical Calif. crap.. always worried about emmissions.. I think that they should look into the mirror to find the hot air....



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MSD

04-13-2011 15:40:57
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 Re: cash for clunker tractors in reply to 2-155OWNER, 04-13-2011 12:56:59  
There are a couple guys here in SD dragging those back and reselling them here. Just move the emissions around I guess.



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Case e

04-13-2011 15:39:21
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 Re: cash for clunker tractors in reply to 2-155OWNER, 04-13-2011 12:56:59  
dont worry, farmers are used to getting money from the government, they will be okay.



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mark in boonville ny

04-13-2011 14:38:54
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 Re: cash for clunker tractors in reply to 2-155OWNER, 04-13-2011 12:56:59  
there was a ford tw 15 or something that had a low carb restriction and the motor was illegal to run in californial. what does that mean.
This post was edited by mark in boonville ny at 15:46:00 04/13/11.



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rrlund

04-13-2011 14:15:48
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 Re: cash for clunker tractors in reply to 2-155OWNER, 04-13-2011 12:56:59  
Just playing devils advocate here,nothing personal,I'd say it no matter who's post it was,but YOU'RE the one complaining.



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Scott in SF

04-13-2011 13:30:47
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 Re: cash for clunker tractors in reply to 2-155OWNER, 04-13-2011 12:56:59  
If that is true no one at the CA Air Resources Board knows anything about it, causing me to think it is nonsence. Anyway, how to you punch a hole in the block of a 6030 ? There is a program with that helps replace stationary ag diesel engines (about 10,000 old (53 and 71 series two cycle Detroits and stuff like that) diesel irrigation pumps in Ag service in the state)with natural gas models, but the funding is through Pacific Gas & Electric and So Cal Edison, usually in the form of a low interest loan worth more like $770. Trust me, they are going to make it back.

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rustred

04-13-2011 15:27:16
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 Re: cash for clunker tractors in reply to Scott in SF, 04-13-2011 13:30:47  
sledge hammer can make a good size hole with out too much effort.



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Howard H.

04-13-2011 13:49:22
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 Re: cash for clunker tractors in reply to Scott in SF, 04-13-2011 13:30:47  

In the Texas program, they apparently just drilled some holes in the block, because the pictures of the IH we were dealing on were that way.

The seller carefully phrased the ad as "for parts and non-running", etc, but it looked like it would have been easy to thread the hole and repair it (which I think was the sellers point, anyway).


Howard



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Scott in SF

04-13-2011 14:16:19
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 Re: cash for clunker tractors in reply to Howard H., 04-13-2011 13:49:22  
Who was the seller ? Did the state of Texas buy it or just pay someone to drill a hole ? I wonder how many tims a guy could tap the hole, insert a bolt, add oil, and sell it back to Texas again ? When the California was paying for old cars (and yep, they got junk and over paid for it) they went straight to the crusher then off to Korea to come back as a KIA. Nothing got salvaged. Agree with the program or not, but what sence, from a policy view, does it make to remove one tractor from the emission inventory only to have its parts keep others like it running ? Please don't tell me the Texas legislature is an inept as the California one. I was thinking about moving there when I retire.

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Howard H.

04-13-2011 21:41:32
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 Re: cash for clunker tractors in reply to Scott in SF, 04-13-2011 14:16:19  

I don't know much about the program - it was a couple of years ago that happened - but I know it wasn't a statewide thing... My sense was the Houston area (counties, metro district, I don't know) was pushing & paying for the idea.

Guess you could come on out to the Panhandle - loads of common sense out here... ha...

Howard



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Smart Arse guy

04-13-2011 13:09:10
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 Re: cash for clunker tractors in reply to 2-155OWNER, 04-13-2011 12:56:59  
Are you sure about that? Seems quite steep to pay $77000 for an old tractor. I know Uncle sambo is stupid but.....only if it was a military contract would they pay $77k



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dave2

04-13-2011 13:01:43
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 Re: cash for clunker tractors in reply to 2-155OWNER, 04-13-2011 12:56:59  
Got that in B&W or is it just hearsay???



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James22

04-13-2011 13:31:20
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 Re: cash for clunker tractors in reply to dave2, 04-13-2011 13:01:43  
I'm sure you know this is a program to lower emissions. Texas had/has a similar program. Tractor needs to be used 500 or more hours/year and I believe the government kicks in a percentage to purchase a new one having similar power. I've heard 50% percent. A boondoggle for big farmers as if they need more help. They choose the highest hour, worn-out tractor and get a new one cheap.



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