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Why MORONS should be banned from using anti-seize..

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Bob

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A fellow hauled an '98 S-10 Blazer over a couple of days ago. His son and pals "installed" a new longblock 4.3 Vortec months ago and never could get it started after an initial run of a couple of minutes.

Can you spot the problem?

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Some folks seem to think that anti-seize is the cure-all for anything that requires a little bit of effort with a wrench. Let's take it one step further, and require an I.Q. test before anyone can even purchase a wrench.
 
Besides all that anti-seize, the plugs were so &%$@ tight it was about all I could do to loosen them with a 3/8" drive socket and ratchet.

I'm guessing they tightened them with an impact wrench!

Surprisingly, after cleaning them with solvent, then blasting them the engine started right up and runs fine!
 
There will be, after I drop the duel tank and fix the damage they caused installing a new fuel pump 'cause they thought the old one was but when it wouldn't run!
 

They at least have the interest and the gumption to try...that is more than the average kid will do...!!

Maybe they would be well served if you tried to show them and explain ..they may want to put a tractor together some day..!!

Ron..
 
I always suspected that plugs that were in so tight you couldn't budge them were installed with the engine warm and the plugs off the shelf.They get tightened in and when the engine is cool its like they were welded.
I've seen us have to break plugs , take a rosebud and heat what is left red hot and douse with the hose, then they turn out real easy, blow the cylinder out with air and install the new plug. We had a Grand National in the shop one morning and seven of eight plugs broke off when we tried to remove them.
 
I think Big fred hit it on the nose......Personally I often use a LITE coat of neversieze on spark plug threads(( usually where the plug is in a spot that is a bit-h to get to or the machine sets outside and water can pool around the plug))) and have never had a problem the engine running afterwards. This looks like a case of simply using way too much. Even then I don"t understand why the plug body didn"t ground to the block as the antisieze used looks like the type with copper in it so you"d think it would have acted as a conductor and not an isulator. To carry the thought a step further you stated the plugs were TIGHT. Typically overtightening a plug will cause internal damage to the plug that will prevent it from firing. It"s not so much the plug not grounding as it is the "circuit" gets broken internally and the plug is essentially dead wether it"s grounded or not. I"d be curious to test continuity between the electrode at the bottom of the plug and the wire connection at the top and see what the deal is there....
 
Wayne, It wasn't a matter of the plugs being INSULATED from the head... there was so much CONDUCTIVE anti-seize it was even on the porcelain insulator on the electrode and shorted out the spark.

This is at least the third time I've seen this happen... so much anti-seize the engine wouldn't even RUN!

NO anti-seize on sparkplugs for me, with the possible exception of aluminum heads, then used VERY sparingly.
 
"I"d be curious to test continuity between the electrode at the bottom of the plug and the wire connection at the top and see what the deal is there...."

As I stated in the other post the plugs work just fine after having the insulators cleaned.
 
The "kid" is in his 30's and too "crippled" (WINK WINK) to work.

So much for "teaching him something".
 
Plugs were installed in a COLD "new" engine BEFORE it was even installed in the vehicle.

So they had LOTS of room to use an impact wrench!
 
Whenever my car acts up I replace the plugs. This never solves the problem but it's worth ten bucks knowing it's not the plugs. Besides, now I just reinstall the plugs from the last troubleshoot.
 
When using anti seize you can usually find it in every pocket, every wrench and sometimes every time you get a dollar out of your billfold. You wife will find it on your undershorts when doing the wash. The first place she will find it is beside your nose and the side of your face.

We use it on nozzle tips in our plastic machines.
People will wipe their hands on a shop towel after using it and forget and continue to use the towel and wipe it on a bunch of stuff.
 
There's an expression in the Marine Corps, "the kind of guy who could screw up a crowbar".

There are a lot of them running around out there, and worst of all they're procreating.
 
I have a can of military antisieze from WW2 my uncle gave me. It is for radial aircraft sparkplugs and is Mica based, not conductive. No issues, I still do not overdose the threads and insulators !!!! Aluminum heads deserve being treated to a release agent on the threads. Jim
 
I seen a nuclear unit get shut down for six days at $600,000 a day in lost power. Because somebody smeared ant-sieze onto some control valve actuator rods and bushings.Instead of Lubriplate.
 
There was a short run of natural aspirated 4.1 liter V6 GN's in or around 1983. The 84-85's were turbo and the 86-87 were turbo intercooled.
A TI Buick V6 with higher flowing front wheel drive heads were installed in some 89 Trans Ams. Fastest North American car for the era.
 
Don't take much, to ground 'em out. We used to take a pencil, and make a mark, from tip to metal, and that'd make a plug misfire, in auto shop class!
 
People like this are good for business. I wouldn't have half the work I do if folks weren't so inept, careless, and wiling to try anything.
 
Just changed the oil in my wife's 97 LeSabre yesterday and noticed the sticker saying to gap the plugs to .060". Part of the emissions controls and higher energy coil packs now a days. Starts fine in the winter too...


Donovan from Wisconsin
 
Not to start a fued, but this was my brothers 82 GN, that came from the factory with a 305. The car was totaled in the wreck thay killed him. I sent this pic to the website its posted, and I dont know why they dont mention the V8 option, but they dont. I had been told by a GN collector they are rare, and only like 40 or so had the V8.
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