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flying belgian

01-16-2010 09:34:19

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I'm thinking about replacing my old IH 400 planter. Considering a JD 7000 or White 6100. I've heard many good things on both. The 400 works good yet and I can get it to space seed less terrible then most by driving slow. REAL SLOW. Probly cost me $8000 to 10,000 for replace with virtually no value from my 400. Do you think I could gain enough yield in better seed placement and emergence to justify cost in my final 10 years of farming 150 acres of corn each year? Also how many like the JD or White?

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Kevin Schmidt

01-16-2010 18:14:46

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 Re: planter? in reply to flying belgian, 01-16-2010 09:34:19  
For justification on spending money on a planter, I would bet good money if you get at least to a JD 7000 with precision meter units, you will see an honest 10-15% in yeild increase

That being said, either planter you are looking at is quite old already, figure what you buy redoing the openers and metering units, then you know what you have. Spend $300 a row on a JD 7000 will pay you back in 10 acres per row. While rebuilding put in some of the better updates, seed firmers, precision meters, ect

Money very well spent, seed placement is everything for good yields

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cadet trooper

01-16-2010 17:00:03

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 Re: planter? in reply to flying belgian, 01-16-2010 09:34:19  
I can only add planting the seed is probably one of the most important parts of grain farming so spacing and depth control is the key. I suggest driving around and looking at neighbors in the area and asking questions. Bear in mind it is important to know that graded seed corn can cost more i.e; flats and rounds vs ungraded so it is important to ask that question when quizzing others as to what they use. I've been a way from it too long but I don't think mother nature has been able to grow only one seed shape yet but I'm sure that is in the future. IMHO PS it is probably too late to do the previous suggestion this year that research should be done on Sunday road farming tours in late summer.Good Luck

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01-16-2010 11:09:50

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 Re: planter? in reply to flying belgian, 01-16-2010 09:34:19  
You won't regert updating, either will work good, Kinze included.I like the no pto/air blower part of a 7000. No white dealers near here. I like jd planters. More parts in the seed metering but will run alot of acres on new parts. Your seed depth will be more consistent with a 7000/5100. I've seen beans up in 7 days. If I plant any with my 20" 400 they take forever to come up and not evenly. I have seen nice 8rn 7000's go for $1200.00. Take along a friend thet runs 7000's and look it over good.Some of my neighbors have 1200 Case planters, good planters but no better placement/spacing than a 7000. Make sure to get kinze or jd rotary meters for soybeans.

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bradley martin

01-16-2010 10:21:42

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 Re: planter? in reply to flying belgian, 01-16-2010 09:34:19  
I've had a White 5100 for about 15 years and am quite pleased with it. Other than usual wear parts on openers, no-till coulters etc. it has been trouble free. The 6100s were better yet. I don't think that you can beat the seed placement, but then I have not used the Case IH 1200 series or Deere 7200 vacum planters. I have neighbors with each of those planters and I know I get a better seed spacing than they do, but then I am running 1-3 mph slower than they want to run. As far as the White planter mechanism, there is not much to wear out or go wrong compared to the Deere/Kinze finger system. I would highly recommend the "3000" series monitor over the "1000" series monitor....lets you get the seed drop perfect w/ few or no skips or doubles.

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01-16-2010 10:03:27

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 Re: planter? in reply to flying belgian, 01-16-2010 09:34:19  
I"ve had 3 7000 planters over the last 33 years. Only other one I would consider is a White. My renter had a White years ago and it spaced so evenly, you could see rows across the field. He had a JD for a few years, went back to another White for the folding bar (24 row, 22 inch). Chuckled the other day when someone talked about upgrading from his JD and was considering IH. Didn"t understand the "upgrade" part. Their only advantage is the seed tank, but that does nothing for placement and germination, which is where the value is. That"s why the hybrids- IH seed tank, JD row units. BTW, I think you could find a fine White/JD for about half of your dollar figure, good for that acreage and time. Lots of 6&8 row units in southern MN, with demand declining for the smaller units. They"ll bring more money as you go north.

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01-16-2010 21:24:06

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 Re: planter? in reply to JMS/.MN, 01-16-2010 10:03:27  
Really love it when you and the others talk down the cyclos. Makes them cheaper and eventually I might be able to upgrade to a 955 from my 900 and spend few dollars. Neighbor has a new JD with the whole precision works, 20/20, air bags, RTK and auto row shutoffs. Can't tell the difference in his and my spacing and his emergence wasn't better. However I did drive around 4 mph. Also University studies show seed spacing isn't that critical within reasonable ranges. But the OEMs selling the equipment and others the special parts have sure got the farmers buffaloed. No doubt that a calibrated finger planter will have better spacing than a cyclo, it just doesn't give more bushels.

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Bob Bancroft

01-16-2010 09:50:12

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 Re: planter? in reply to flying belgian, 01-16-2010 09:34:19  
I just replaced my White 5100 with a JD 1750 vacuum. I would have bought a new White if there was a dealer left nearby. The White replaced a JD 494A runner/plate planter. What a quantum leap that was! The old 5100 can be had for lot less $ than you're talking.

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