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Lou from Wi.

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I could use expert advice on a couple of questions. 1St. Thinking about an oversized Loafing shed for the 706. Something that the tax collector can"t charge us (to pay off the national dept)because it will be movable on skids. Wanting information on using flat trusses spaced 24" oc. Bldg will be 24 ft in length X 20Ft in width X 12 ft high at the rear. Sloaping (I Think) is 1"for every 10 ft. Is that correct?
2nd question.What kind of door,or doors ?
Can"t use overhead doors with garage door opener,because shed will be movable. WE got so much machieniery now in the garage,so the shed will hold tractor, bobcat, log splitter and other small mowers.etc. Thinking of using log splitter to sink cleats in truss assembly. What is the opinions . Would appreciate GOOD SOUND ADVICE.Pictures would be of great help if you folks have em for this type of Structure!! Thanks in advance. LOU
 
Lou, I don't think the tax man is going to let you get away with what you are proposing. I know it wouldn't fly in my neck of the woods just because it is proported to be portable. If you want to proceed, good luck.
That being said I think it would be cheaper to go with a Carolina Carport or something similar. The cost would be about the same and then you won't have an argument with the assessor. Check their web site and you may get some ideas. Whatever way you go good luck.
 
F.Farm Checked with zoning comissioner, structure wouldn"t be taxable as long as it"s movable, I"m sure the Carolina Carpore wouldn"t handle the snow load if it would as wood structure would be insurance acceptable.
LOU
 
Lou, are your taxes that high to make this worthwhile? I dont know off hand, but in our neck of the woods you might pay $40 or $50 a year in taxes on such a shed.

I built a little hunting cabin back in the woods. I wanted to have a 911 address just in case so I had to go to the assessors office to start that process. I have the cabin insured for $20,000. I told the assessor that it was just a home made, native wood cabin. They never even came to look at it, just wrote it off.

Gene
 
You wanna put a 1 inch per foot slope on a roof of a portable building that can settle a few inches? In Wisconsin? With snow?

Wow.

Way too small, not enough roof for a winter location, and gonna be a wind/ insurance/ fall-apart-in-a-decade issue.

Doesn't sound appealing to me.

Put up a $800 carport if that is all you want.

You asked for free advice, don't let me get you down, just saying what I'm thinking at the moment. :)

--->Paul
 
Gene.Yep high taxes, 3rd largest state for taxes. I fought em when the tax statement came out several years ago stating $$$ property improvement . Got to examine the state structure and found,if No improvements were made, = No additional taxes. Saved every body lots of Money. Years back,Indiana folks got sick & tired of taxes, that some license plates were printed that said "INDIANA LAND OF TAXES" That went on the front of the vehicles(at that time there was only 1 plate required on the rear). WHAM!! New law was drafted that required 2 Indiana plates and a law passed that would be a fine imposed if any plate was displayed not bearing the state plate. WHy everybody Knows that the tax payer has DEEP POCKETS . Still would like information that was requested . Thanks. LOU
 

That's right Lou, that tractor's ugly enough without putting it in an ugly shed :shock:

How's that for good sound expert advice???
 
Well Finaly> I do appreciate the awnsers but I don't intend to make a shack out of costly materials. Carport is just a waste of time and money. Now you seem to have a grasp on the situation, So what is the required sloap of the roof I described, or is that question not awnserable. I'm not a structural engeneer so I thought for a moment that someone on this forum just might have the information.Notice --in my request there was a question mark after the 1'sloap per foot.Could be I just asked the wrong questions.
LOU
 
Best response I've got so far. Guess folks think I'm going to beat the HONEST TAX ASSESOR & STATE out of their Dough or build a shack. Guess they forgot the 706 pictures.WE don't build any thing with out paying attention to details.
Critcizing ones question is well beyond the scope of decency however I'm not one who does such. Helpfull information thats requested,is the Main purpose of any discussion. If I don't have a clue to whats being asked, I just keep quiet and hope some authority of the subject is kind enough to reply with the awnsers. Dave, I DONT TAKE YOUR REPLY AS HURTFULL< JUST HUMORIOUS> THANKS> LOU
 
Lou, I would think the absolute lowest pitch you would want to attempt with that size of building is a 4" rise for every foot, and even that is based on a metal roof that would shed snow more readily. I would not opt for shingles.
Just my thought
Jason
 
REPLY/ Looked em up. Nice buildings. Cost would be over my head,(LIMITED INCOME) Gotta build a substancial structure that wouldn't break the bank. Being NOT A FARMER< Just a decent fellow trying to build a structure thats sound as well as movable,will be my undertaking ,even at 74 years old. Keeping things nice is the problem.
LOU
 
GREAT AWNSER. Now thats USEFULL!!!!!! MY sincere Thanks. WIll do just that.Wasnt sure what the slope should be, but you provided the awnser. Thanks again
LOU
 
Lou,

I am in Western NY and have built a shed like you are talking about 6 years back, except this one is permanent (not on skids).

Roof slope is dependent on what materials you are going to use for the roof. If you are going with metal I would make it at least 3 inch to a foot. If you are doing shingles I'd go with 5 inche to a foot.
 
I think in order for a building to be considered portable it has to be able to fit on a truck and can be moved within 24 hrs of notice. If you do build it you may want to move it around every year or so to prove that it is protable. In N.Y. they complain about so called portable buildings that never move. Now if you buid it off site and move to your place it may be harder for them to claim it is not portable. But that could be lots of work considering its height power or phone lines may get involved.
 
RHOUSTON It's just a loafing shed, Nothing more. Seen em in pastures .I will be able to pull it with the 706 back & forth at least a foot. Notice I talked with the zoning office, NOT TAXABLE as long as it can be moved. Liked the consept of the shed for storing the 706 & other mechanical stuff we have in the garage. Jason from Canada gave sound advice (of which I'll Take,) as well as another who gave sound advice on slope of roof. NOW THATS WHAT I CALL EXPERT ADVICE> LOU
 
Wouldn't be a little cranky today would you Lou???
We have the same thing here about being portable. One guy has a barn like you are talking about (not quite as big) framed with old barn timbers, Got a cable on one end, reflectors on the other, and two wheels and hubs bolted to the side. Haven't seen it move in the 10 years I've been here, but it looks portable.

Dave
 
Some info. for you, in case it helps. I built an 11' x 24' horse shelter using steel tubing, and used approx. 1/12 pitch, with 8' in front and 7' in back. No strength problem at all with MN snow, but if the width doubled, I would probably go to 3/12 pitch to get the snow to move off. I put a 2' wide shade on the front to add more coverage, with it hinged at the top. Easier method is to use a header and overhang the trusses 2' over the front, but I welded the frame in the polebarn and my door is only 12' wide. I put doors on removable hinges on the 10' wide side for hay, and left the 14' side open for the horses. Maybe that type of door setup may work for you? I would definitely use steel for the roof.

The polebarn in the picture is 40' wide with 4/12 pitch and 12' sidewalls, so cut it down the middle and you have a good picture of what your building would be. Seems like 4/12 would look a little awkward on a lean style building.

Keeping the open front tied together at the bottom is the biggest problem with a portable building, especially the size your talking. I used 2"x4" steel tube for the base, so I can still drive over it with the bobcat.

My opinion, if it were me, would be build two smaller leans, like 12'x24'. Then you could run with a shallower roof pitch, and construction would be much easier. Do you really need 12' wall? Maybe build one with 12' wall for the 706, and one that's shorter for the bobcat, etc.?

FYI: I found out this spring, via letter from the county, that our county considers my portable shelter a structure that requires a building permit. They require a permit for any shelter over 120SF, portable or not.

If you do build it 24'x20'x12' high on skids, please post pictures of when you try to move it.
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I wish our tax assessors were as generous. In my county, we can build up to 199 square feet without a permit, but my township requires a permit for anything over 144 sqft.

Any way, I like Loren's idea with the steel frame as it wouldn't rack when you move it. A wood structure would require tons of cross bracing. Roof slope in my area (northern Ohio) is 4/12 minimum due to snow load. I have a 16x36 lean to, 12' on the open side, around 6' 8" on the low side. It's held 26" of snow with out a problem. Mine is shingled to match the house, in your case I would go with steel to save weight and to shed snow easier. You could probably do sliding doors with a double track so 1 door can slide over the closed door. Another possibility would be a curtain door like they put on the Coverall buildings.
 
The way the wind blows here in NE, I would never buy or build anything not secured to a foundation!!!!!!!!!!!

At the very least, maybe you could weld some of your bottom crossmembers in a location where your tractor will be parked on top of them to help hold it down.
 
Sorry about the duplicate pictures, not sure what happened. Just thinking about it, I don't recall seeing any lean style loafing sheds, hog barns, etc. around here with much more than a 2/12 pitch, and I've never seen one collapsed from snow load. 4/12 pitch is pretty much the standard for a normal pole barn truss roof. over 20', that would be about 6 1/2 feet rise.
 
Dunno if this is what you're after, but three years ago I built for my SIL a storage building 12' wide by 24' long. Set it on 24' treated 4x4's. So it is portabel. It also has a 4/12 raftered roof AND a solid floor made of 2X6's. It wouldn't be easy to move, but the county doesn't tax him on it. Even has a roll-up door. The lights are ran off a drop cord. He stores his Harley and all the yard equpment in there. No way is it going to move unless a tornado comes through. With your width, I'd think 3 4x4's would be sufficient. The nice thing about a floor is no varmints get inside.
 
(quoted from post at 12:28:21 10/26/09) Sorry about the duplicate pictures, not sure what happened. Just thinking about it, I don't recall seeing any lean style loafing sheds, hog barns, etc. around here with much more than a 2/12 pitch, and I've never seen one collapsed from snow load. 4/12 pitch is pretty much the standard for a normal pole barn truss roof. over 20', that would be about 6 1/2 feet rise.
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That is just STUPINDEMONIOUS!!! Would it be too much trouble to give me some details (you can email them if you like) on what you used, size , and what you covered it with? Size of box tubing and thickness please.
I am in a situation where nothing can be built (not a tax issue, just no buildings period, unless portable. OTH, also have an image to keep up :roll: , can't expect people to pay top dollar for horses that are kept in ragtag quarters.
I'd sure appreciate it.

Dave
 
Lou, you are misinformed about Indiana tags.

I live in Indiana, and have all my life. I've owned licensed vehicles since I was 16, and I'm now 55. I have NEVER had to put TWO tags on ANY vehicle I own, at ANY time, between 1970 and 2009.

Don't believe everything you hear. There's already enough bad information on the Internte; let's not add to it.
 
Hi Germ. Door ides is great. Thought about door similar to shower curtain set up. I do like the door set up you described.Son said Steel roof.The 706 with cab & lights measures 11.6" to top. Want it backed into building. Ready to pull forward when we get a lot of snow. The new tire chains will raise havoc on a wood floor. Gotta stay with dirt floor. Thanks for your much needed information. LOU
 
Great pictures and Great ADVICE. You gave me something more to think on. Large side for 706,Smaler side for bobcat. Son says a partition between both sides, Oh BOY do I thank you for the information and pictures. Reguards LOU
 
Hi Dave. No I'm not cranky (just Yet).lol Going with several Ideas put here. Will post pictures when we get it started(In Spring) and finished pictures when done. Now I'm getting some worthwhile and much needed information. You can bet I'll use these Ideas. Loved the pictures. Now thats what I call a loafing shed. Might just weld the bldg .Hope steel market stays the same come spring. Other wise it's wood.The idea of wheels with cables is a great idea . .Lots to consider .Not having access to external_links, stimulus package makes things tough when working on a fixed income. Not complainig though.I'm sure we will prevail with this project. Thanks and will post pictures when starting and when finished.
LOU
 
I don't have access to that money either and wouldn't take it if I did. The cable/wheel thing, I'm sure was sarcasm on the builder's part, but he got away with it. I just learned (here) that there is a difference if you set a post in concrete or just tamp it with dirt or gravel. Go figure............... A farmer can build up to 100 sq meter (1000 sq ft) without a permit, etc. I built a 27 sq mtr leant to and a 18 sq mtr on two different places and am catching holy he!!. I can put a raggedy a$$ TeePee up and be OK. Just bought, and will pick up a 16'x16' Army frame tent for a winter horse shelter.

Dave
 
I built 3 buildings in N MN with 5/12 roofs and the snow stays on them most winters, used dark green steel thinking the sun would heat it and the snow would slide. It starts moving in the spring and usually comes off slowly, you can't depend on it sliding off so you have to build it strong enough to support it!
 
Buzzman/ You missed it. There was A plate as I described "Indiana land of Taxes" How do I Know? I had one. They went all over the U.S. Was embarassing to Gov Mathew E Welsh. Made em take em off and then As I described, Two plated were Mandantory. I lived In Anderson since I was 9 years old. SO I do Know what i"m talking about. Don't chastise me for you not knowing the fact.
LOU.
 
Hey Dave, Thats what is considered caught between a rock and a hard place. Don't they consider you a farmer? Could be they (LOCAL GOVERNMENT)couldn't care less about the needs of the citizens. Makes one wonder huh? If you set tent stakes in the ground, would it be considered a permanate structure? A loafing shed would be to your advantage, Nice pictures of one sent on this post.Worth looking into . Will post pictures when we start and when completed. I did get Great advice here. Thanks for all who replied with one exception. Wasn't you. lol
LOU.
 
Dave2, click on email when you reply, and I'll email more info. I used 2x4 tube for most of it, and used 2x2 for the roof. Probably could use 2x2 for everything, but my father in law had scrap 2x4 he gave me. I sort of copied a design form a local builder, but modified it by adding the doors, etc. I don't recall the gauge of the tube, but I'll check tonight. It was fairly thin, maybe 16 ga.? I welded it all using a Hobart 140 MIG welder with .023" wire and Argon/Co2 gas. It was fairly thin, maybe 16 ga.? Here's a few more pics.
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