tasered farmer revisted

To bad They Didnt get Fired the Day They Did it !!! Should have Used the Taser on them to see just How They LIKED IT !!!!
 
If they had proper training part of it is having the taser used on them or was when first came out with them. A cop afraid of a 76 year old better find another career anyway.
 
good!!! every once in a while you do hear some good news. i went through something similar to that this summer not near as severe did not like none the less al
 
I'm not saying I am taking the cops side but, why didn't the guy stop when he was asked to stop? He kept on rolling is why they tasser him.


Did he know he had hit something or someone? I can't remember now what he hit.

Gary
 
In our little town, pop. 800, we had an little old man and his wife on the way home from church. Cop sitting at a side street got ticked cause old Roy didn't dim his lights for him. Turned on the siren and lights and old Roy pulled over, but the cop didn't get out and approach his window promptly. Roy sat there for several minutes, put his car in gear and headed for his house a couple blocks away, with the siren wailing behind him. Roy got out and the smart alec cop (muscle man with a burr haircut) decided he'd put the cuffs on him. He managed to get one on before he had to give up. Sherriff had to come ask Roy for the cuffs.

Roy was a golden gloves boxer when he was a pup.

Do you have to be a smart alec to become a cop, or do you become one after getting the job?

Apologies to all the good cops, and I know there are many.

Paul
 
alot of people in law enforcement atround here were high school geeks, losers or misfits intent on geting back at the world and showing everyone they are now strong with a badge, Barney Fife had more lawman abilities than some of these clowns today!
 
Old Roy was probably get off with a warning for the lights until he drove away from the scene.

Bad choice on old Roy's part.

Gary
 
I wonder if it took a linch mob at the city council meeting to get it done. Sad state of affairs. Where has common sense gone ?
 
Maybe, but people are tired of getting pushed around. Cop should have gotten out a let the folks know why he stopped them instead of running their plate first. In a town that small, he should have know the car, if not the people. Power trip for the frail of mind.
 
You're right. Cops always call in your license number ans location before approaching your vehicle. I've got two close relatives that are in law enforcement and they both do that. Too many crazies out there to not do it.
 
You're right Gary, Roy made several bad choices that evening, but he didn't receive any ticket.

That particular cop had a history of harrassing folks, and that incident was the end of his career in our town. I guess the powers that were had enough of him.

Roy was a nice old guy, but if you got smart with him, the conversation was over.

Paul
 
I understand what you guys are saying, but, in a town of 800 folks, did the old man look like Aiotola Komanie? He could have walked up and politely ask the old man to dim his lights. Cops act like We The People are the enemy. Seems like the bad cops out number the good ones. But, negative press always beats out positive press. Hats off to the good guys.
 
Its legal to taser a human, but don't get caught with a hot-shot at the stockyards. Anyone else see something wrong with this?

Joe
 
Can you imagine what would have happened to those cops if that 76 year old guy died by falling off the trator. (massive lawsuit)
 
wasn't me, He said old Roy not Old Roy.

But if I were on a tractor and decided to terminate my going through a parade for some reason if mechanical or otherwise and some wet behind the ears cop did that to me I would have his badge too.

You said you would have tasered him in another post .

I like your reasoning and attitude. we could have made you a leader in Viet Nam Full Time Point men were hard to find.
 
Why not wait and hear the cops side of the story before making judgement. I know there are bad cops, but bad or good, they are suppose to control any situation that is going bad. When I was a Deputy once I was attacked by a 77 year old man with a knife in a grocery store. Completely out of charactor, he had stroke, but there is know way I could have known that at the time, and he was still making threats to others. As I wresteled this guy, back up arrived, this city policeman got in the fight and nailed me in the left elbow with his batton, real hard. It still hurts. The reports were that 2 cops beat up an senial old man for shoplifting. Dept training indicated I would have been justified popping three 40 cals for a center mass hit. If what the cops did was unjustified charge them with Battery, but lets hear their side of the story.
 

Yes, Ol' Roy should have stayed stopped. The cop was merely taking the time to run the license plate, find out who might be in the car, and if it was safe to approach the occupants. Several officers over the years DID NOT play by the rules and they are no longer with us or their wives and family.
 
I don't know the full story, so my comments may not be applicable. If the operator was on the tractor, the engine running, the transmission in gear, then tasering the driver was very dangerous. Tasering the driver would probably put the tractor in motion- without control. Even if in neutral, the tractor could roll by force of gravity.
 
Funny...when there's a lib administration in Washington, when the cops do something like this, the cops are wrong. But when there's a different party in charge in Washington, the farmer would've been called a scofflaw with an attitude problem, and there would've been pizzin and moaning about how law and order are breaking down in America.

If a cop tells you to do something, you do it. WHY? Because if he decides your "disobedience" puts his life in danger--whether it actually does or not--and he pulls out his service weapon and kills you, YOU'RE STILL DEAD, even if his actions were wrong. And while I believe in standing up for my rights, it ain't worth becoming a martyr when you encounter a Barney Fife with a God complex.

I didn't survive the '60's and '70's without learning some lessons along the way. Ask the survivors from Kent State whether it was worth it.
 
There are people that mess with animals that are just as dumb as cops.Ive seen a few humans working with animals that needed the hot shot used on them too.If humans cant be trusted with a hot shot around animals,they cant be trusted with guns and a taser on humans.
 
BAD COPS ARE NO GOOD;These Guys Most have been Truble Makers Before they Were Told to HELP With this Event.Iknow Several Good ones in our Town,I have all so know of several that have been sent to JAIL,or Fired.These had there Heads up There @ .To bad it happened to this guy at 76 years old,Being most Farm Related Events have none or Very little problems.
 
Should the cops be fired? NO

Should the cops work in the field ? NO

Should the cops go thru more training and have desk duty the rest of there career? YES

If the cops quit, that's there choice for using such poor judgment.

T_Bone
 
Should the cops be fired? NO

Should the cops work in the field ? NO

Should the cops go thru more training and have desk duty the rest of there career? YES

If the cops quit, that's there choice for using such poor judgment.

T_Bone
 

By Matt Joyce
Associated Press

Retired truck driver Bud Grose, 76, sits on his 1959 John Deere tractor at his home in Glenrock, Wyo. (AP Photo)
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GLENROCK, Wyo. — Bud Grose seemed like the last person who should attract the attention of police when the 76-year-old retiree hopped on his antique tractor and rumbled through the annual parade in this small Wyoming town.

But what was supposed to be a day of fun at an end-of-summer festival ended abruptly when police shot Grose with a Taser in a dispute about where to end the parade route.

The incident nearly incited a riot as outraged neighbors rushed to his defense. Now residents of this tight-knit town of 2,400 are seething over what they see as police brutality, and town officials are scrambling to ease the tension.

The Glenrock Police Department has placed two of its seven officers on paid administrative leave and hired a consultant to conduct an internal review that began last week. Prosecutors have decided against filing any charges in the Aug. 1 confrontation, and Police Chief Tom Sweet acknowledged the situation has "highly inflamed the community."

"To me it doesn't matter if this was a town of Glenrock's size or New York City. This kind of stuff can't go on," said Grose's son, Mike. "It doesn't matter if there's 10 officers or a thousand, this is just totally unacceptable. We're taught to respect the law, not fear it."

The fracas at the annual Deer Creek Days arose from confusion over whether members of the tractor club could deviate from the parade route shortly before it ended.

Grose wanted to head directly to the town park for a tractor pull like in previous years. But the police department had a different plan, which apparently was not communicated to the tractor drivers.

As a result, Grose encountered a Glenrock officer attempting to direct the tractors along the regular parade route. Grose said he drove around the officer. The officer said he was struck by the tractor and injured his wrist, according to a state review of the incident.

"He, for some reason, said no, and I, for some reason, thought to myself yes," Grose recounted.

The police chief said the officer then chased Grose on foot until a fellow officer joined the pursuit in a police SUV and caught up to Grose's tractor. The police pulled in front of the tractor, and the tractor came to a stop as it bumped the SUV.

That is when the officer shocked Grose with the Taser. Grose eventually managed to pull the tractor around the police SUV and to a parking area down the road. An angry crowd formed as police kept ordering Grose off the tractor. Police did not arrest Bud Grose because of the tension at the scene, Sweet said.

"At the time, it was very close to having a riot right there, and that probably would have created a full-scale riot," Sweet said.

Grose's son, Mike, agreed. "There was some very good people there ready to make some bad choices that would have affected them for the rest of their lives," he said. "That's the point it had gotten to."

A lawyer for the two officers issued a statement Monday saying the officer who fired the Taser did so only after Grose "slammed" his tractor into the police SUV, resisted police commands and kept driving.

"They ultimately de-escalated a volatile situation created by Mr. Grose's actions. If anyone violated the law that day, it was Mr. Grose," Casper attorney John Robinson said. "He should not be regarded as a folk hero."

Police fired the Taser five times, according to a state review.

Residents are not letting the matter fade quietly. Mike Grose and his wife have printed T-shirts with a cartoonish drawing of a police officer using a Taser on a tractor driver. The caption reads "If you missed Deer Creek Days 2009, you missed a shocking experience."

The police chief acknowledges that the situation could have been handled differently.

"I think there were some contributing factors on both sides, from the law enforcement side and from Mr. Grose's side that maybe could have prevented some of the problem," Sweet said. "There probably was some better judgment that could have been used by everybody involved."

An estimated 2,000 people were on hand for the parade, which is part of a festival offering cookouts, an art show, street dances, sports tournaments, car races and a Christian revival.

Mike Grose was driving a tractor following his father and managed to catch up to see an officer about to shoot his father with a Taser. Mike Grose said he yelled at the officer not to shock his father because of a heart condition. Bud Grose underwent heart bypass surgery in 2000.

"It hurt like hell," said Bud Grose, who suffered bruising on his left upper body but no serious injuries.

Brad Jones' 9-year-old son was riding with Bud Grose in the parade, helping steer the tractor. An officer removed the boy from the tractor before Grose was shocked with a Taser.

"I mean this guy's a senior citizen with heart problems, driving a tractor. Whether or not he disobeyed, it didn't have to come to that," Jones said. "If the town don't do something with the officers, I think it's going to be really bad for the town. Our last two council meetings, the whole town is in an uproar."

After reviewing the state Division of Criminal Investigation's report, Converse County Attorney Quentin Richardson said last week that prosecution was not warranted for "any individual involved in the incident."

Bud Grose, who has retained an attorney, said he was relieved by that decision. He said he hopes the police internal investigation comes to the "correct decision."

"I'm a back-row person. I'm not enjoying the attention that I'm getting. It's totally out of character for me," said Grose. "I'm getting a tremendous amount of support from people I've never met before."

Sweet, who joined the Glenrock police in February, said communication will be key to settling the town's nerves.

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"There's a lot of distrust now, and I'm relatively new here, but I'm going to have to build that trust back up," Sweet said. "At some point in time, people are just going to have to trust that we are going to do the right thing and take it for what it's worth."
 
Two cops axed for using Taser on old man
MATT JOYCE
September 23, 2009

Two police officers who chased and used a stun gun on a 76-year-old man driving a tractor in a Wyoming town parade have been fired.

Bud Grose, who was shocked five times by Officer Michael Kavenius, welcomed the decision announced Tuesday by the Glenrock Police Department.

"Hopefully this will kind of help bring the community together and be an answer to a lot of questions and problems," he said.

Kavenius shot Grose with a Taser on August 1 near the end of Glenrock's annual Deer Creek Days parade. Sgt Paul Brown was also relieved of duty.

Police say Grose, who was driving an antique tractor in the parade, disobeyed Kavenius' traffic command. That led to a short pursuit and the Taser use, which outraged some in the town of 2,400.

"After considering all aspects of the unfortunate event which occurred after the parade during Deer Creek Days this year, the decision has appropriately been made that the two Glenrock police officers involved are relieved from duty," the department said in its release.

The department said the decision came after a consultant's internal investigation and a probe by the Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation. The Converse County Attorney's Office decided against filing any charges in the incident.

John Robinson, a lawyer representing Brown and Kavenius, said the officers will appeal the firing.

The Division of Criminal Investigation report said Grose disobeyed Kavenius' traffic command and steered around Kavenius to head toward the town park rather than the end of the parade. Kavenius told state investigators he was struck by Grose's tractor, but Grose denied hitting the officer.

The report said Kavenius then chased Grose on foot until Brown joined the pursuit in a police SUV and caught up to Grose's tractor.

The police pulled in front of the tractor, which came to a stop as it bumped the SUV. That's when Kavenius shocked Grose with the Taser.

Grose, a retired truck driver, said he's unlikely to participate in future parades. "I think I probably have retired from parades," he said.
 
So do you suppose the community realizes that once the officers successfully win their wrongful termination suit (which they will: no charges, no criminal wrong-doing found in investigation) that they will have to pony up a pretty sizable sum of cash to get this to go away?
 
That probably won't happen. A jury will decide that case. It will be really difficult to seat a jury who will agree that the rogue cops acted properly. Remember, it only takes one juror to sway the rest. Been there, seen that.
 
On this they had NO RIGHT to even think about trying to stop him. You in a parade it is voulentary and you do not sign a contract to complete the whole parade and you should have at any time be allowed to terminate your participation in said parade for any reason and at any time. It was not said anything about the drive he turned onto was marked as being closed for any reason, and if it was they should have asked him to go to the next open drive in a polite maner. Them thinking once you started in a parade that you could not end your parcipitation when it was in your best judjment to end participation was what was the problem. As the one poster said put them in a desk job and keep them away from the public as with there mentality they would keep on doing more harm.
THERE BIG MISTAKE WAS NOT REALIZING YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO END PARTICIPATION AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON.
 

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