Diesel fuel conditioner/lube

Tom S. in Tn. · Mar 30, 2009

I have an older Massey w/Perkins diesel and presently only have access to ULS road diesel.

What can I do to protect the pump on this antique ??
I read somewhere a few years back some folk using ATF, but I don"t know anything about how much.

Thanx;Tom S. in Tn.

onefarmer · Mar 30, 2009

I have a JD 4320 that the pump was getting sticky. It would stall when idled down, mainly when hot. there were a few times when I had to take the cover of the pump and just move the internal linkages and put it back together to get it started again.

I now add a quart or two of two cycle oil when refueling and have had no more trouble. I get it by the gallon at Walmart. I figure if it will keep a chainsaw running at 13k rpms or more than it should keep a diesel lubed.

200cs · Mar 30, 2009

I run almost all JET-A (kerosene or Diesel #1) in my Ford 3000 and my Dodge 2500 CTD. I run a mixture of Power Service additive *(Grey in Summer, White in Winter) about 16 ounces per 25 gallons and then I use 1 quart per 25 gallons of Walmart 2-cycle oil. The truck really likes the mix runs quiet, smokes, etc.

here is some additive info from a site I frequent:

http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195683

Michael Soldan · Mar 30, 2009

200cs and onefarmer are right on the money. Two cycle oil or ATF will lube the pump and give a little more energy to the fuel. A cleaner can be added too.
Case in Point: I bought a tractor that hadn't run in 8 years, couldn;t start it in July without ether. Having added fuel conditioner which cleans injectors, lubes pump and removes water the tractor began to come around and after several months it would start easily without ether, didn't have moisture or pump problem
In the winter I put a quart of oil in 5 gallons of diesel and a 4oz deicer, slush it around and pour into the tractor tank..never had problems doing that in the winter.
I do believe that injector cleaner puts an end to slobering injectors, makes easier starts and more efficient performance.
A friend of mine was an Allis Chalmers dealer for over 40 years and he swears by adding ATF to the fuel..says it lubes the pump and removes all moisture. You never get bacteria and bacteria masses clogging filters.
Hope this helps

ArleninOr · Mar 30, 2009

Tom s. I mix 20 gal of filtered used ATF per 100 gals of diesel. Tractors run better with less smoke on hard pulls. Trucks also run better. No visible ill effects.

HeyPigFarmer · Mar 30, 2009

I just run bio-diesel. B02 (2% bio) has more lubrication properties to it than dinosaur diesel ever had when it had all it's sulfur in it. Plus it works as a cleaning agent for your entire fuel system, tank, lines and injectors. I exceed that by running B20 (20% bio) but you have to be careful, if you have any natural rubber lines it will make them soft. My Dad’s TW10 has all plastic lines, except the injector bleed off, it came off the tank and we lost a few gallons one year. But the bio diesel makes the tractors start better and run quieter with less smoke. I like the stuff. Another note: I only buy it from a reputable dealer. If you buy it from some guy that is making his own in his garage with no quality control you should be careful.

But if you don't have access to bio diesel anywhere near you. The other guys are right on the money. Or since I am cheap, when I get fuel delivered I mix in my old used motor oil with the diesel fuel. Blend that up to 10%. That's what I like about diesel engines, they will run on almost anything.

Tom S. in Tn. · Mar 30, 2009

OK, I think I got it; 1 or 2 quarts of ATF to 25 gal of fuel.
Now that I stopped to think about it, a diesel motor would probably run on oil if it would go through the injectors, so the ATF does not have to be real precise if I get too much in, maybe smoke. I think that"s what Mr. ArleninOR is saying by using 20%. I guess it would stretch your fuel if you had enough good used ATF.

Thank you every body for your help. I think I"ve got it.
A good day to all. Tom S. in Tn.

ArleninOr · Mar 30, 2009

Tom, you are right about the 20 percent. Neighbor who is big into saving on his fuel bill does a lot of research on mixing alternative oils with his diesel and that is how he came up with the 20 percent mix. No more cause then you could start having problems. Old ford 7.3 and 12/24/ valve cummins and tractors . Don't think I would try this in any of the new Fords. Your choice. Please leavce the Mrout of my name as it makes me want to loof for my father Thanks

200cs · Mar 31, 2009

This will probably get me flamed but here goes.....

I do not use ATF as a fuel conditioner. ATF is a hydraulic fluid and is not desigen to lubricate and burn without coking up your exhaust components.

TCW-3, 2-Cycle oil is. 2-Cycle is the only oil that is made to lubricate and burn clean at high RPM's by design. That is why you will never see people mixing ATF with fuel to run in an outboard motor or a chainsaw reving at 14,000 RPM.

ATF may work but it is not the best choice in my opinion. my .02....... Flame Away!

Tom S. in Tn. · Mar 31, 2009

No. No flames. I"m with you on this, and kind of thought used ATF might be a little rough on filters and pump too. I concur with everyone on the 2 cycle oil, never thought of it.
Please, what is TCW-3 ?
I thought next trip to town I would get some generic outboard oil in Gallon containers like the fellow below suggested and mix 1 qt. to 25 gal. Correct me if I"m wrong, but thats 40:1 about like a saw or weedeater isn"t it?

Thanx a bunch; Tom S. in Tn.

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