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Steam Whistle Valve

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gold-leaf-deere

03-14-2009 12:34:42
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Recently I got two BIG Steam whistles, they are 8 inch in diameter and about 3 feet tall, Question is, neither has a valve, is a Gate or Ball type valve the best to feed the 2 inch pipe inlets?




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buickddeere

03-15-2009 07:16:33
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 Re: Steam Whistle Valve in reply to gold-leaf-deere, 03-14-2009 12:34:42  
Air has a lower density than steam. And steam varies if it's dry or wet. A steam valve on air will be "off key".



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gold-leaf-deere

03-14-2009 18:17:49
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 Re: Steam Whistle Valve in reply to gold-leaf-deere, 03-14-2009 12:34:42  
Mr Fixerupper, in answer to your question as How far can the whistle be heard?. The 4 inch my 12 inch one that I have hooked to my air tank now was heard two miles away by my son while he was laying on the ground greasing his combine. I heard one of my newly aquired 8inch by 36 inch whistles blow before I became it's owner and saw cows on a hill 3/4 mile away go beserk at it"s noise.



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NEsota

03-14-2009 15:07:47
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 Re: Steam Whistle Valve in reply to gold-leaf-deere, 03-14-2009 12:34:42  
Fixerupper, For a long time I have been thinking of a train whistle used with a 12V compressor. Please tell me anything you can about what kind of valve to use.



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Fixerupper

03-14-2009 16:25:19
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 Re: Steam Whistle Valve in reply to NEsota, 03-14-2009 15:07:47  
He got this kit from a company in California called Viair. There's a cute little 2 1/2 gallon tank, pressure switch, gauge, drain valve, 12" externally steel braided hose, small rubber hose with some fittings,12 volt compressor that looks like the compressor used with a foam marker for a field sprayer,12Volt relay and thirty amp breaker along with some 10 ga wire, for the compressor, and two horns. Each horn has it's own 12V solenoid air valve. You furnish the push button switch.

The name on the solenoid air valves is Yankee. The inlet is 1/8" npt inlet and 1/4"npt outlet. I Googled Yankee and came up with Automatic valve Corp. Maybe someone else on the forum could help here.
I don't know where he found the whistle. It's rebuilt, not new, but it has it's own valve you hook a chain or rope to. I ran a 1/2" id plastic air line to it and it seems to toot pretty good. That's about all I know. Hope it helps. Jim

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Fixerupper

03-14-2009 13:35:37
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 Re: Steam Whistle Valve in reply to gold-leaf-deere, 03-14-2009 12:34:42  
Gold Leaf, the rason I mentioned the air supply is I'm involved with the very same thing only on a much smaller scale. The project I've been building in the shop right now includes a train horn kit the owner wanted me to put on. It's a kit with a 12V compressor and a 2 1/2 gallon tank. Also, we has a smaller steam whistle with a 3/4 pipe inlet, that I hooked up to the system. The train horn sounds great, I can feel the vibves in my chest shen I blow it in the shop. The steam whistle drains the tank in three seconds flat. One short burst and the compressor has to run a couple of munutes to keep up. How many miles away can your whistles be heard? Jim

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gold-leaf-deere

03-14-2009 13:24:58
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 Re: Steam Whistle Valve in reply to gold-leaf-deere, 03-14-2009 12:34:42  
The air tank that I have is 150 gallons. It does have a two inch pipe outlet, I have used it with another whistle that has it"s own built in valve. I realize that a steam whistle don"t sound the same as it would with steam, air I got , Steam I no got. I gonna get me a 2'' Ball Valve.



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ScottyHOMEy

03-14-2009 13:44:48
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 Re: Steam Whistle Valve in reply to gold-leaf-deere, 03-14-2009 13:24:58  
I'd suspect that ball valve would be easier to regulate than a poppet, and you might be able to nurse a little longer blast before your air gives out.

I once listened to a transcription of some old wire recordings made by a fella that lived near a railroad crossing back before diesels knocked the steamers off the rails. Interesting how you could distinguish the different engineers from their touch on the quill when they sounded the --.----- for the crossing.

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JMOR

03-14-2009 12:58:22
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 Re: Steam Whistle Valve in reply to Iowa_tire_guy, 03-14-2009 12:34:42  

Gerald J. said: (quoted from post at 15:48:57 03/14/09) I think most steam whistle valves are poppet valves typically operated by a bell crank and a pull chain. Look at 4625K64 at McMaster-Carr. I can't post a link but its mcmaster dot com

Gerald J.


Gerald described the poppet valve as in the one I have. It is only 1 inch inlet & it is difficult to feed it enough compressed air.

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Fixerupper

03-14-2009 12:51:37
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 Re: Steam Whistle Valve in reply to gold-leaf-deere, 03-14-2009 12:34:42  
Wish I could hear them. They sound huge! How big is the air tank. A two inch pipe will drain a regular compressor in a couple of seconds. WHOOOooooo---...?



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Gerald J.

03-14-2009 12:48:57
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 Re: Steam Whistle Valve in reply to gold-leaf-deere, 03-14-2009 12:34:42  
I think most steam whistle valves are poppet valves typically operated by a bell crank and a pull chain. Look at 4625K64 at McMaster-Carr. I can't post a link but its mcmaster dot com

Gerald J.



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ScottyHOMEy

03-14-2009 12:43:35
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 Re: Steam Whistle Valve in reply to gold-leaf-deere, 03-14-2009 12:34:42  
Good question?

I've heard that steam whistles don't sound the same when fed with air. Still loud, but not the same sound.

That aside, I'm gonna guess that it's a ball valve. Only because I've never seen a gate valve that operated off a lever instead of a thread, and every steam whistle (locomotives to boiler plants) I've ever seen was operated with a lever... Not sayin' that there might not be such a beast out there . . .

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gold-leaf-deere

03-14-2009 12:39:26
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 Re: Steam Whistle Valve in reply to gold-leaf-deere, 03-14-2009 12:34:42  
I forgot to include in my original post that I will be using 150 pound Air Pressure. Also the Whistles will be used to keep my neighbor's mind right.



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ScottyHOMEy

03-14-2009 12:44:20
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 Re: Steam Whistle Valve in reply to gold-leaf-deere, 03-14-2009 12:39:26  
A whistle to go with his tin-foil hat??



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