Looking for opinions

farmerwannabe · Jan 25, 2009

Hi guys. I"m looking at buying a tractor for my other half so she can help out (which she likes to do) moving wagons around, maybe raking a little, etc. I am looking at smaller tractors for her...physically smaller...and am wondering how much difference is size there is between an Allis B (have one) and a Farmall Cub, and if you guys think maybe a 9N or 8N Ford would be a good candidate..compact, close to the ground (big thing for her), exhaust routed down so it"s not in her face, etc. Would really like your comments. Thanks as always guys.

plow hand · Jan 25, 2009

Ford 8 N or maybe now it wont be considered since I suggested it...You two have a nice day now...

M Nut · Jan 25, 2009

Well, for that kind of use, a N series ford would be hard to beat. Especially if she want to be close to the ground. Myself, I would prefer a C, Super C, 200, 230, 240 Farmall simply because they have larger tires and ride much smoother while using in the field. The 36 or 38 inch rubber provides a much better ride than the 24 or 28 inch rubber on the smaller utility type tractors.

farmerwannabe · Jan 25, 2009

Kinda what I was thinking. Thanks for the input.

rrlund · Jan 25, 2009

What's gonna be in the wagons? If there's any load on them at all,I'd reconsider letting her move them with such a small tractor. She might end up under it. Getting them moving is one thing. Stopping them is another.

Mike (WA) · Jan 25, 2009

Probably an N Ford, but just make sure the brakes are in tip-top shape. Hard to beat an N for "drivin' around"- its just when you get into PTO and 3 point implements that they're not so good.

Bob · Jan 25, 2009

If you can find one, consider an IH 424.

I call mine an "8N on steroids".

It has almost twice the HP, live hydraulics and power steering, all in a profile about the same size as an "N's", and MUCH better brakes as well.

Here's mine, in it's work clothes.

<img src = "http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u125/27Grainfield/424IH/424FallCleanup.jpg">

Coffee Helps · Jan 25, 2009

Farmall Cub is kind of underpowered. My Internatl. Cub Loboy has the exhaust routed underneath, but really struggles to mow taller grass (like say 10" or taller) w/ belly mower. But I'm thankful for what I do have.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 25, 2009

Many choices here that are way better than N fords, Something newer with live PTO and hydraulics, and POWER STEERING. Newer fords, massey, deere, oliver all had utility tractor that can be had for the same or less than Ns and are much more tractor than the overrated overpriced N.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 25, 2009

Power steering on something like a oliver 55 550 or super 55. If you are going to spend some money it would be nice to spend a little bit more and get some thing like a 8n but on steriods as was mentioned by some one else. It would be nice to stay away from the lack of power steering and lack of live pto and live hyd. With a slightly newer,& heavier & powerful tractor you could also use it at times and it would still be very appropiate for the spouse.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 25, 2009

If your talking about moving loaded hay wagons or wagons loaded with something heavy, STAY AWAY FROM SMALL TRACTORS!!!!!. Good way to die.

I would reccomend 40hp or larger. You can rake with your Allis B.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 25, 2009

buy her the same tractor as your using if she is the other half treat her as the half.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 25, 2009

Rather than just leave you hanging. I would reccomend something like an IH 574, 674, 484-884, etc... Those are low to the ground, yet have weight enough built into them that they wouldn't be dangerous to use hauling wagons. However, we still don't know what exactly your hauling.

JBMac · Jan 25, 2009

Without a doubt, diesel Massey Ferguson 135!

Plumcrazy · Jan 25, 2009

You can tell her about all these recomendations, all the differant horse powers and options, but in the end, she will choose the COLOR tractor she wants.

onefarmer · Jan 25, 2009

I think any of the smaller fergies would be good. Like a 35, 65, 135, 165, 265..... I have a 265 and it makes an excellant all around tractor. I use it year around. Baling, raking, woods cutting firewood. No I'm not pro any brand was raised on a JD620 and 4320. Later MF85, 265, 175. Still have all these including more JD4430, 2550, 3020, IH H, M, MH44. Of all these the 265 is a very good all around tractor that is easy to get on and off. Low profile and hp when you need it.

dwrk · Jan 25, 2009

Get her something with enough power to do the job safely. Power steering, good brakes. 8Ns are nice playtoys, but reallistically that's all they are anymore.

mj · Jan 25, 2009

(quoted from post at 12:00:54 01/25/09) You can tell her about all these recomendations, all the differant horse powers and options, but in the end, she will choose the COLOR tractor she wants.

:lol: That right there might sound off the wall but it is TRUE. My wife always picks out her vehicles by the color :roll:

Dick L · Jan 25, 2009

The Allis B has more HP and heaver than the Cub and can handle a loaded hay wagon if properly weighted.

The down side of the B with a load on hills would be the need for the brakes to be well adjusted and if you have one you already know they can be a challenge to mount and dismount.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 25, 2009

Oliver S77,S88 my wilf loves them easy to get on & off all the power of todays 90hp tractors. You going to be moving haywagons you need 4500 to 6000 pounds of tractor and if you pull to hay rakes NH 56 they have enough drage on them to make our s77 pull the front wheels up. If you have hilley ground get something that weighs something.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 25, 2009

I've been married and dvorced twice, and can't help but wonder what your role is in it in the first place.

Just kiddin, but why not let her decide after you narrow it down to a few good deals. Let her test drive a few different ones and then go from there, it may save alot of problems down the road. A few extra dollars now getting what she wants---well you know her better than the rest of us.

Dick L · Jan 25, 2009

My wife likes the Oliver 77 best all though the Oliver 66 would work as well. Easy to get off and on, easy to steer without power steering.

Dick L · Jan 25, 2009

Funny we were able to move wagons loaded with hay, corn, and wheat from field to barn with the Allis Chalmers B's and C's in rolling ground and never had a problem. The C was the big tractor on our farm in the 40's. We never did have a tractor death in our neighborhood in all the time I was growing up.

buickanddeere · Jan 25, 2009

This topic is well covered in the achieves as it gets asked at least once a week. It's also very touchy subject and can make tempers flair.
You want something with live pto, a real drawbar, three point hitch, remote hydraulic scv connectors,differential lock, live high volume/high flow hydraulics, a factory 12V electrical system and a rops(roll over protection system?.
There are those loyal to certain brands and certain models who claim they are up to any task by any person. Just for the record for the same money you can find a Massey 35,135,235,65,165,265 or 800 series Ford for the same money as the antiquated N series Fords.
Just remember that old cheaper tractor will take more time and money to keep serviced.
You can take home a 2305 JD with 4WD, a hydrostat transmission with no clutch to burnout. Factory rops, drawbar, three point hitch, full lighting etc. And is set up for quick simple attachment of loaders, mowers etc. They will also drag an N series Ford around like a toy on loose,wet or slippery ground.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 25, 2009

Buick and Deere, you are right on about the 9n/8n Fords. They are the worst "real working" return for the dollar that a man can buy. The MF 135 235 diesel will work circles around them, on less fuel. Tom

paul · Jan 25, 2009

I would prefer something from the late 1950s or newer, that has better features and much safer than the Ford N series.

Look for good brakes. That is a weak point on many older tractors. You want this thing safe.

Others have covered the live pto, etc. etc. I agree with them. The Oliver 55, 550, etc. Ford 660, 860, 960. IHC 300 or better.

And get the brakes fixed, they are _always_ shot.

My wife likes the Ford TW-20 the best, radio, cab with rollcage, heater, she will use that for 10 hours a day if I let her.

She likes to bob around with the NH 1720 - she actually signed the check for that one - as it has good brakes, I loaded the rear tires so it is stable, starts well, is easy to get on & off, the loader is easy to operate, the brakes work.

The rest of my tractors, the old gas warriors, she's not so kean on. Gotta choke them, baby them to start, poor brakes, different shifting, power steering not as good, etc.

--->Paul

farmerwannabe · Jan 25, 2009

Thanks for the suggestions guys. The Pioneer Power show is held every year here in West Branch, MI. I think I"ll show her some and talk about the pro"s and con"s and see what strikes her fancy. Thanks!

Dick L · Jan 25, 2009

Have you ever heard of Zale or Wilidean Miller??

Leroy · Jan 25, 2009

A late Ford 8N is rated at same PTO HP as the Farmall H you just sold and if you have the rear tires loaded it will weigh just about the same as that H without loaded tires and an 8N will have the brake pedals both on the right side and easy to operate, the 2-9N have one on the right and one on the left and harder to get used to. Have a 2N & 9N now and had a 41 Farmall H for years so I know the capableties of both. The A C B is smaller, less weight than the Ford and less HP and you know what it will do. The AC WD that you just bought will have about the same traction as an 8N Ford and less than the Farmall you just sold but the WD will have about 5 more HP than the H. Anything you could handle with your AC B the 8N Ford can handle and it will handle a lot of what your Farmall H wood. A Cub is not a low tractor, as tall as the AC B and taller than The Ford with 1/3 the power of a Ford.

Mike M · Jan 26, 2009

If your on the level those tractors may work ? but I'd rather see something heavier and wheel weights or fluid in the rear would be needed too.

No way an 8N could handle much of a wagon here in Ohio and our hills aren't even that bad until you go south.

Leroy · Jan 26, 2009

Mike I don't think your hills are that bad. We pulled the baler New Holland 66 with engine and wagon with 125-150 bale with a 1944 2N Ford with loaded tires but no extra wheel weights as we had to take them off after plowing and disking with that tractor to set the wheels out for cultivating.

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