OT Need a New Deer Rifle....

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Well - I've had this old 7mm Spanish Mauser for about 30 years. It's getting a bit pricey to buy food for it, so I am thinking about selling it and buying something that has ammo that is a little more plentiful. Can't decide on what to get.....

.270
.223
30-30
30-06
.308
Other?

What do you guys recommend?
 
30-30 and 30-06 are the cheapest and most common ammo. You can buy it almost anywhere. If you hint elk you may want to lean toward the 30-06.
Tom
 
What type of land are you hunting? Rockies, New England forest? Range 0-250 yards, 300+ yards, etc?

Personally, I shoot a 99A Savage lever in 250/3000 Ackley Improved. Good to 200+ yards on whitetails.

If I didn't have my 250, I would go find a 99 savage in a 300 Sav. I think the 300/Savage 99 combo is the best whitetail gun out there. Bar none. Next option would be a .308 win, also in a Sav 99 lever gun. Brass rotary prefered.

bob
 
In your neck of the woods- for deer- a nice flat shooter like the 270 or the 30-06. The 06 might be a little cheaper on the ammo.

Kirk
 
Hard to beat an 06 but they are not all that cheap to feed either. My self I use a SKS 7.62-39 and I can buy rounds for about $5 per 20 but there are only good for about 150 yards give or take a little. To be real cheap on ammo you need to think about reloading which I do a lot. I shoot what would have been a 10 pointer this year with my 44mag hand gun and its not cheap to feed so I reload it and took him with a reload at about 60 yards
Hobby farm
 
Takek a 270 and one hose clamp and a five cell maglite and you have a nice combination for filling the ole freezer.
 
For whitetails, I'll stick with my Remington .270. Flat trajectory, good up to maybe 300 yards. I switched from a .30-.30 to the .270 and would have a hard time going back to a .30-.30 for deer hunting, although I have two of them.

If you're going after elk, you'd want something a bit heavier.
 
.270 is the "castrated" 30-06, and the .223 is a cut-down 308.

223 and 308, and 30-06 are available from military surplus - but not the 270.

All of the above will greatly outshoot a 30-30.
 
6.5x55 Swedish mauser is another good one.I am getting better groups with that one than any of my others.( handloading)
 
Whatever you do, buy it before 20 January, 2009, AND if at all possible, buy it from an individual, if you can find one idiotic enough to give up his battle rifle.

If anyone is stupid enough to believe that the Federal Bureau of Idiots is not keeping permanent records of the "Instant Background Checks", (in violation of federal law), they are delusional. The murderers and terrorists at the Federal Bureau of Incompetents, along with the BATFE, are anxiously waiting for the orders to issued that will once again allow them to run rampant over the rights of law abiding gun owners.
 
I don't think there is much cheaper and well performing rifle than a .308 Winchester. They were around $25 for a box of 20 last I knew, but I don't buy any. I reload my own so they are even cheaper than that.
 
Wow, you boys like heavy artilleryfor whitetails. I, of course live in the great state of Iowa, so I can choose between 12 ga, 16 ga, or 20 ga slugs. I personally like 20 ga. When I used to hunt in Wyoming, I used a 243 win for pronghorn, or mule deer. I am sure 243 would be adequate for whitetail as well.
 
Shop around for ammo and/or reload.

How many deer you going to shoot anyhow ? A box of 20 should get you about 20 deer. You can buy alot of ammo for how ever much you pay for another gun.

If you just want another gun just go buy one as you don't need to justify it to us ! We all say go for it !
 
The southern zone of NY is like that as well though they are slowly opening up more areas for rifle. I don't know where the logic is in the notion that using shotgun slugs for deer is safer. Most rifle shots will be on target one shot kills. Slug hunters do a lot of multiple shooting due to the poor accuracy of the slug and those things will bust through a lot of brush and trees endangering others.
 
Id have to agree with the SKS 7.62 x 39.Its a mean little rifle.If You like cheap military rifles that are dead on accurate,powerful and cheap then I would go to some local pawn shops or gun stores.Our local stores are selling a bolt action 7.62 x 54 mm rifle that is a tremendous good caliber for deer,and they are $100 brand new,ammo also cheap,and lots of powder behind the bullet too
 
.308 /7.62 x 51 N.A.T.O., the casing is 1/2" shorter. It was developed for the military, same as the '06 was, a soldier could carry 2x as much 7.62 x 51 ammo as the '06. Ballistically, they perform the same, at least in military ball ammo, they wanted the performance of the '06, with less weight, increasing the ammo capacity of a soldier. At the time, the M1 garand was being phased out, M14 coming in as the new infantry rifle, accessory to that was the much ligher M1 carbine, cooks, clerks and others who needed a shoulder weapon, but not the heavier infantry rifle.

When the 5.56 mm/ .223 was developed with the M16 A1 rifle, this reduced the weight of the ammo and allowed a soldier to carry 2x as much as the 7.62 NATO round. M14 was an excellent rifle, had it's issues, M16 originally was to be the light rifle as the M1 carbine was to the Garand/M14, but became accepted as the standard issue infantry rifle, lot of history on these to be found on the net.

.308 or '06 are execellent for whitetail and similar large game, if you look at reloading tables, both have a lot of options, for customizing performance. I can attest for the performance of Federal classic 150 grain lead tip bullets at 300 yds, placed in the vitals of a whitetail, it performs, does not over expand and damage the meat. '06 is just as good, have seen the results of both at 200-300 yd ranges year after year, you put either one of those in a heavy target barrel type rifle with a 1 in 10 twist, like the savage tactical rifle offered in .308, very impressive groups. Reloads might even get better. These are well proven calibers, can't see how anyone could go wrong with either when chambered in a quality rifle.

30/30, .32 special, in winchester or marlin lever actions were what a lot of people used for many years, within their respective performance range, it does an excellent job, but the bullet drops fast beyond it's effective range, making longer shots difficult.
 
I would keep the 7 mm mauser.A Winchester 94 in 30-30 is easy to carry and there are some plastic tip spire point bullets that step up the performance of the 30-30.The Ranger model 94 is about a pound lighter because of the birch stock and forearm.Old military rifles are fine if you dont mind the extra weight.If the 7mm cartridge is hard to find just go to a gun show.
 
22-250 works good for me, plus you can use it on groundhogs for hillbilly golf, You know the object is the same, to get a hole in one!
 
243 cal is nice deer rifle and i use it on varmits like coyote, fox, but bigger game like moose, elk, bear, it wouldnt hurt to go larger cal,
 
I like my 303 british. Most surplus ammo for it is corrosive. Best price I have found for commercial ammo is wolf gold at $15 per box of 20
 
(quoted from post at 13:56:15 12/24/08) What type of land are you hunting? Rockies, New England forest? Range 0-250 yards, 300+ yards, etc?

Personally, I shoot a 99A Savage lever in 250/3000 Ackley Improved. Good to 200+ yards on whitetails.

If I didn't have my 250, I would go find a 99 savage in a 300 Sav. I think the 300/Savage 99 combo is the best whitetail gun out there. Bar none. Next option would be a .308 win, also in a Sav 99 lever gun. Brass rotary prefered.

bob

Dig it! I've got two 250/3000s; a 1948 EG and a 1956 Featherweight ..... and a .300. Model 99s are WAY under-rated .... as in Savage in general. As for the 250s effectiveness; I've shot 3 elk and a bunch of muleys with the '48 ..... the elk were shot through the lungs at ranges from 150 to about 280 yds. and none of them went more than 50 yds. before they laid down. On mule deer a 250 will deck them real quick IF you hit them somewhere besides the butt .... shot placement is what counts .... you can't be afraid of the recoil and expect to place your shot at long range ..... I've seen a lot of 7 mag shiners!
:wink:
 
Tons of ballistics data available on line for all those calibers you mention. Just tap into most any ammo mfg website. Do a real good study for the type of shooting you'll be doing. Long range open shots, brush country, whatever. My favorite personal rifle is a Weatherby 30-378 but ammo is a bit pricy and barrel is good for about 1000 rounds due to high velocity. $5 per round but like somebody said, how many rounds do you need after zeroing to kill a deer? Remington still makes fine rifles. I have a Rem 700 in 300 Ultra Mag. But then, at my age, I really don't carte how much they cost. As I recall, the Remington was about $700. The Weatherby was a LOT more.
 
I really like a 700 Remington in .270 with a 3x9 Leopould on top. It does everything I've ever asked. Normally I hunt with a 110 grain hollowpoint. This year I discovered I was out, or had lost them in the move. Used 130 grain factory loads.
 
Ammo you can buy at any store is the one you are looking for 06 has been around to some time great knock down power.
 
Ever think of getting some reloading equipment and reloading for that 7mm Mauser? A Lee kit can get you started pretty cheap and it's not like you'll need thousands of rounds.
As far as a new rifle, what kind of country do you hunt? A 30/30 with the new LeveRevolution ammo is almost two hundred yard gun now. I have been using a Browning 7mm Rem Mag for 40 years but am going to switch to the new 30/30 ammo in my Marlin and give that a try on deer. I've never shot a deer over 100 yards so why not haul a lighter rifle around.
 
Most of the areas I will go will be about 50/50 wooded and open. There are a lot of corn fields around here.....
 
Military calibers. Ammo is cheap due to the volume manufactured. Every backwoods hardware store carries the stuff too.
Military caliber ammo can always be found one way or another even if ammo sales are banned, outlawed etc.
.22, .223, .308, 30/06, 12 gauge, 9mm. A little bit of 300win too.
 
Why not keep your 7mm. You can order 7mm x57 (mauser) from Graf and Son on their web site. They have "Privi" 158 gr Soft Point for $10.99 per box of 20 and 139 gr Soft Point for $13.59 per box of 20. They charge a $4.50 handling and insurance fee per order and THEY pay for the shipping to you. If you order 4 boxes of the $10.99 ammo it comes to a total of $12.11 per box ("to your door"). Less than $.61 per cartridge. You cannot reload it much cheaper than that. Keep those military rifles and use them.
 
seems like you could do a lot of shooting with your gun compared to a new rifle compared to the prices these guys are talking about . i have only big rifle its a marlin 444 now they cost me a about 35 dollars for 20 265 gr. shells
 
Now we all know that when hunting on the backside of the clock, it is only legal when the deer is standing directly between the headlights.

;-)

Aaron
 
280 Remington or 30-06 Springfield.I have both calibers both in Ruger 77's.They have taken their share of whitetails and kept the Coyote populations down around here for years.I have them topped with Leopold 3x9 scopes.High as ammo has gotten i don't like shooting twice.
 
I would get a new Mossburg 464 it has a 30-30 caliber only as of now. This new gun is about $350-400 list price. I want to get one of these but a gun store near me didnt have this one. Also for deer a .30-06 works well maybe a ruger M77 mark II. I have this rifle and I have never fired it. All stainless with composite stock and scope rings.
 
I haven't priced 7MM Mauser but if the below listing is correct you'll be hard pressed to find cheaper ammo except for the Russian military rounds.

I have a 7MM Rem Mag and the "cheap" stuff is $25.00 a box of 20 when you can find it, and seeing it on the shelf for $35.oo a box isn't uncommon - almost as bad for my .243
 
You will have a hard time finding a better deer rifle than your Mauser. Rather than spend money on a new rifle, why not buy the equipment to start reloading? Used RCBS Rockchuckers can be purchased very reasonably off eBay, as well as the other things you'll need: scale, case trimmer (Wilson is the ONLY case trimmer to buy) and dies. And when you do buy your next rifle, you won't have to soil it with another round of factory ammo.

As for cartridges, everyone should own at least one .30-06. There is no cartridge that is more versatile. And right now, I'd say the finest new factory rifle you can buy is the Winchester Model 70, made by FN here in the USA.
 

i like all the calibres you listed for deer except the .223 . to me its kinda small for whitetail, but guys use it. i have .308 and 30-06 rifles for deer . they both are the allmost same balistically , that is,they use the same bullett, will hit the target at 600 yards. ive got a spanish mauser in .308 ,,good gun.i scoped it. my buds try to buy it off me all the time because of how accurate it is.
 
you want a hungry gun to feed? I have a 8mm Remington 700. Last time I priced ammo they were over $50.00 for a box of 20. Don't shoot that cannon much, shoulder doesn't like it. The only reason I bought it was because it was real cheap.
 
The 30-06 has been around since 1906 and prob the nicest all around gun to have, thats why its so popular and still being made. Good shooting range, and enough to get a good kill. Can use it from deer all the way through elk if you ever go out west.
 
The 30-30 is a Brush gun. May be good at short distances. 30-06 and the 270 are good for mountain shooting. 06, you can get a larger grain bullet than the 270. Shell cases are the same and will even interchange with a little sizing. 270 bullet reaches its destination faster than the 30-06. I have the 270 and a 30 caliber noise maker with a 30 round banana clip setting in the gun cabinet...JB
 
Ok, guys!
I originally figured it was between a 30-06, .308, or a 270. I'm LEANING toward the .308, just because the rounds are everywhere. I'll still probalbly go back and forth between it and the 30-06, but either (and the 270) will do what I need. Thanks for the help! I can go to the local farm store and buy .308, 30-06, and 270. The 7mm Mauser is hard to find, anywhere close.
 
I've been into rifles ever since I was in my early teens. Have had and still have lots of rifles. Of all of them, if I could only have one, it would be my Remington 700 in .308. It's my "forever" and "always accurate" rife.

.308 ammo is all over the place and if you reload, it likes just about any load. I know there are a lot of folks out there who like the 30/06 but the .308 will do about anything an /06 will do and do it more accurately. My experience is that a lot of the /06 guys never even consider a .308. Why? I can make a couple of guesses....but won't here.

My second choice for a keeper is my sportorized 96 Swedish Mauser in 6.5x55. I shortened the barrel, installed a Timney trigger and a Ramline stock and this thing is accurate!

My son has a Remington Model 7 in 7mm/08 that is a great "deer getter" too.

My $.02 and I hope you enjoy whatever you get.
 
be hard to beat that 7mm for normal deer hunting,doubt if shells for anything else would be cheaper ,if it shoots all right i'd save my money and buy a reloader..if youv'e got to have a new one i'd look at one of the savages in 308.and package up that 7mm amnd send it this way!
 
With the 1/2" longer case length of the 06 over the 308, The 06 will always be flatter shooting than a 308 because the case length allow more powder. I learned that a 308 was a castrated 30.06 from an Aussie. I had never thought of the 308 that way. I always thought of it as a low performance 30.06.
I worked with a guy once who thought the sun rose and set on the 308. It was getting near deer season and the talk had turned to what caliber everyone was going to use. I made the comment I thought the 308 was a low performance 30.06. I do not think this guy could have got any anger-er that if I had called his Wife, Daughter and Mother Prostitutes. He was swelled-up for three or four days. One day someone brought in some performance data for Remington cartridges. He came over to where I worked to show me how well the 308 performed. He did not notice the the 30.06's data was also shown. It showed the the 30.06 was flatter shooting than the 308 and I told him that a 06 had a longer case than a 308. I also told him that with the longer case the 06 had more powder which provided more performance. I do not think he like what I had to say but he also had the data from the Remington flier in front of him. to summarize the 308 IS a low performance version of a 30.06

Kent
 
Ruger M77 .243 30-220 yds. 55 deer 57 shots 25+ yrs. I can't beat that. 30-30,30-06,222,223,357,12ga.25-06,all setting in the safe because they can't beat that either!JMO
 
223 shells are by far cheaper than any of the others you listed, just have to reload or look hard for rounds good for deer. It is nice to buy practice/ground hog/summer shells for $9 a box.

Other than that any you listed will put meat on the table and help the bean crop.

Dave
 
There is no second choice for me. The 30-06 does it all until you talk Brown Bear. No other cartridge is in its class. Cheap ammo is abundant , excellent power and accuracy and a variety of loads and reloading material available. If you have only one rifle the 06 does it all.
 
I have something of same dilema. I have a 30-30 dad bought for my 16th birthday. I'm wanting another rifle, but undecided between a 30-06 and 270. I like the 270 for size and range. Will be living in New Mexico and need different sized loads, as with a 30-06. So far, wife says no to needed firearm funds.
 
That's too funny, people get a little odd when it comes to these things, both are excellent calibers, I've shot each side by side from my deer stand at 200-300 yd ranges, both are very effective on whitetail, now whether you prefer one or the other, might just be a matter of preference, based on what ammo you are shooting and what rifle you are putting it through.

I would have to refresh myself on the loading tables and ballistic performance, so many variables with these, and most small arms/ammo/reloading. I would think you could make that '06 overachieve with the extra space for powder, depending on what you shoot it through, type of bullet etc. 7.62mm/.308 has some minor variance in casing wall thickness, this effects the powder capacity in the casing, I remember this from reloading these. I am thinking that thickness correleates to 2 reference standards used for ammunition, I would have to research that. One of the reasons I'm aware of it is from reloading for a Springfield M1A, it's full military specification, definitely some things to know about there, including headspacing, I had to make a dummy round to shape the case and make sure it fit the chamber, bolt closed correctly, think that was 1x fired .308 brass, not military brass, which I think are berdan primed, thicker casing wall, not so desirable for reloading.

At least with military ammo,they are supposed to be identical, but I don't know off hand what the max effective range is for the '06, .308 in military ball ammo is 460 meters. The .308 is at zero drop around 290-300 yards, but again, it depends on what you are shooting. I took a whitetail at about 250 yds this year with the M1A, 1 shot, left about 4" space over the top of the shoulder, and it hit the lung area, was sighted in at 100 yds, so I might have had to over compensate, but based on how it was shooting, I had a good idea where to place the crosshairs, the bullet drop was perfect from where I compensated.

I, as would most, prefer those flat shooting ballistics, am curious as to how these compare and at what ranges with various hunting loads, never really got into any extensive comparison, probably all kinds of published data on each though. I'm thinking hotter loads, with lighter bullets would work well, I've done 130 gr hollow points w 3031 IMR powder, per loading tables and gotten excellent results from my M1A in .308. That ammo placed in the vitals does a good job, have taken quite a few with those.

I like the .30 caliber size, because of it's versatility, (as well as availability- and that seems to be changing) nice range of loads and bullets to use. I realize other calibers like .270, and some smaller ones can or are just as effective, they certainly have high velocities and flat trajectory, makes an excellent caliber for whitetail. My friend just bought an M77 stainless steel Ruger in .280, be interesting to see how that shoots.
 
When Dad and I reloaded we loaded 60 grains of 4831, Old 40mm Pom-Pom powder I think, behind a 150 grain Sierra bullet. This gave around 2700 FPM muzzle velocity. The loading table listed 61 grains of 4831 as max load. 60 grains would fill the case completely full. Rifles were a 03 Springfield and a Mauser 98 re-barreled to 06 Douglas barrel. Dad later built a 300 Win., FN Mauser action, Douglas barrel. Dad carved the stocks on all three rifles from a Black Walnut tree he cut when I was 2 months old. He let the stock blank cure for fifteen years before he touch the first one for the 03. The blank he used on the 300 had cure 18 years before he began the whittling.
The load we used on the 300 was 83 grains of 4831 behind a 150 grain bullet. Mussle Vel. was about 3500 FPS. Used this round to almost blow a ground hog, Wood Chuck, into a 200 yards. This round also shoot through the front shoulds of a deer at 400 yards.
Kent
 

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