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7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers

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Tim B from MA

10-23-2007 08:11:18




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I am wanting a code reader for my 2001 F-350 diesel. Does any decent OBD II reader work adequately on the Powerstrokes or do I need to look for something special?

Also, if you have any ideas regarding the problem I'm having now ....

My F-350 is stalling in mid stream: I'll be driving along and the engine just dies, makes no noise when doing so, and starts right up again once I come to a stop - happened yesterday 3 times in about 12 miles of driving.

Seems to be an engine control problem (checked for water in fuel filer and motor oil level), I am suspecting the camp posistion sensor.

Thanks
Tim

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JRD(VA)

10-24-2007 04:31:53




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Tim B from MA, 10-23-2007 08:11:18  
Cam Sensor is bad, new one is around 30 buck"s. It"s in the front of the engine, held in by a one bolt bracket. 5 minute job. Also there won"t be any code.



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cat236

10-24-2007 02:30:45




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Tim B from MA, 10-23-2007 08:11:18  
I have a 99 f350sd I too have replaced CPS, without a code reader when truck starts to act up watch your tach, it should drop to zero if a CPS.If it dies and wont restart for awhile watch tach to confirm CPS it wont come off of zero.I concur on the OBDII scanners amd would add confirm it will read 7.3t diesel as I bought a 300.00 unit and later found it wouldnt read it. Dealer bought it back.Cause they were the ones that told me it would read my truck, good luck

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T_Bone

10-23-2007 20:00:04




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Tim B from MA, 10-23-2007 08:11:18  
Hi Tim,

CPS first then TPS (fuel pedal). The new style CPS has gold colored contacts. The trouble ones had silver colored contacts.

2001 up don't see RPM's on the Tach upon cranking.

Any puter driven engine needs reset before diagnosing by disconnecting the battery(s). This clears all codes and resets the PCM to the OEM defaults. If there's truly a problem, new codes will be quickly set and the problem will continue. Reset the puter after the repairs.

I reset my 7.3 once every month. This gets me the best drivibility and keeps fuel mileage at maximum. My 27k mile life time fuel mileage is 15.5mpg with pulling 16kGCW to 31kGCW for 9k miles. Empty is 19mpg consistantly. It's just like windows, the puter will crash often. Ford must have used MS engineers... LMAO

7.3 OBDII codes can be read by a Ford OEM program, about #350 for the PC reader type. This the cheapest I know of for Ford code readers. The cheapies don't have the extra OEM OBDII codes. There's a couple online sources.

I assume you have changed the fuel filter and checked for water?

T_Bone

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Brokenwrench

10-23-2007 21:10:13




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to T_Bone, 10-23-2007 20:00:04  
T_Bone

One thing to note about regularly disconnecting a battery, is the type of vehicle.

Most ford and chrysler trucks, doesn`t hurt anything, but I wouldn`t recommend it on the GM`s after about 96 or chrysler cars and vans.

Those vehicles run adaptive learn systems that can have really long relearn times depending on how they are driven, this would more than likely decrease performance til the computer had everything figured back out again.

The allison in the new chevys is a great example.
If you clear the adapts that thing will work like crap. It has taken me over 100 miles of drive in time to dial them back in again, and that`s running them thru a dedicated drive cycle. That could be 1000+ miles of normal driving before they get thru their relearn on their own. Duramax guys, don`t get me wrong, this is one big bad trans once it`s adapts are set, but it slips, flairs and bangs down til then. Caravans, intrepids, and the real late lighter dodge trucks are the same way, not quit so severe.

T_bone, Ive read enough of your posts to see that you know your stuff. I ain`t jumpin on ya, just thought it was info worth putting out there.
BW


BTW glad to here ford came down on their cam sensors, must`ve been right after I bought my last one. Go figure

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Tim B from MA

10-23-2007 20:30:04




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to T_Bone, 10-23-2007 20:00:04  
Hi T-Bone,

I changed the fuel filter about 8k or 10k, miles ago, and I drained it this AM to make sure there was no water. There was not.

I plan to pick up a CPS in the morning and give that a try when I get home.



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Dumb Dumb

10-23-2007 17:32:30




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Tim B from MA, 10-23-2007 08:11:18  
How about it was it the sensor? I have heard they were problems. I also heard if you crank when she is dead and the tach don't show it that its a dead wringer for needing one. Glad they come down in price, think I will buy one for emergencies.



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Kevin (FL)

10-23-2007 15:18:19




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Tim B from MA, 10-23-2007 08:11:18  
Tim,

On our '01 F350, the engine shut down one day but I was able to restart and drive a half-mile or so then it died again. Had to get it towed to the dealer and it turned out to be a defective fuel stop solenoid.



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John M

10-23-2007 17:03:51




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Kevin (FL), 10-23-2007 15:18:19  
Curious, where is this switch? I have an 01 and have never seen or read anything about it.



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Kevin (FL)

10-23-2007 21:22:08




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to John M, 10-23-2007 17:03:51  
John,

Don't know since they towed it to the dealer the day before hurricane Ivan hit us. Didn't get the truck back for a week and was so happy to get it back I didn't ask any questions like I usually would do. As far as I know all diesels (even the old Perkins in our shrimp boat) has a electrically or electronically controlled means to shut off the fuel supply for shutdown purposes. You got me curious too--I'll try to locate it and report back. Maybe it's either right on the pump or part of the pump--never worked on this one yet like I have on our 6.5 Chevy.

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Tim B from MA

10-23-2007 20:26:57




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to John M, 10-23-2007 17:03:51  
John, as KEB noted, the CPS is on the front of the engine, just above and to the passanger's side of the main engine pully. There is a wire leading to it.



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KEB

10-23-2007 12:16:35




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Tim B from MA, 10-23-2007 08:11:18  
The Powerstroke engines are only sort of OBD-II compliant. A standard code reader won't work for anything other than a few generic codes. Some of the aftermarket programmers will read the ford unique codes, there's the Autoenginuity software for a bunch of money, or a professional scanner for even more money.

Agree what you're describing is most likely the cam position sensor. They're known to be flakey, mine left me stranded a year ago. Stalled, would start back up, run for a few minutes, then stall again. At that time they were $150 plus, now even the ones at the Ford stealers are in the $25 range.

Its located on the passenger side of the engine near the front - you have to reach it from underneath. It's held in with a 10 mm bolt & a clamp. Takes about 10 minutes to change.

Keith

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Tim Shaw

10-23-2007 11:13:45




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Tim B from MA, 10-23-2007 08:11:18  
Sorry, I screwed up the URL. Fixed it.

Link



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Tim Shaw

10-23-2007 11:09:31




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Tim B from MA, 10-23-2007 08:11:18  
The new Ford gray CPS is about $25. You can get them online from a few different sources.

[/url]http://www.dfuser.com/mfg/powerstroke/73/Engine/Sensors/cps.php[url][/url]



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Tim B from MA

10-23-2007 11:28:04




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Tim Shaw, 10-23-2007 11:09:31  
Good call Tim,

$28 at the local Ford dealer.



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Jerry/MT

10-23-2007 10:21:17




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Tim B from MA, 10-23-2007 08:11:18  
I maybe wrong, but don"tPowerstrokes require a special code reader because they are tubo-diesels? I have one and I have neve tried my OBD II code reader on it. Guess I"ll have to try.



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Tim B from MA

10-23-2007 10:11:59




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Tim B from MA, 10-23-2007 08:11:18  
The engine light does not come on - the engine just cuts out, and restarts fine after I pull over.

The original cam posistion sensor went when the truck was virtually brand new (less than 5k miles). The symptoms were different back then - the engine would sputter and loose power before it stalled.

I just bought code scanner (been wanting / needing one anyhow). I'm going to see what that tells me before replacing the CMP or any other parts.

FYI, if you don't know already - I have heard on this board and others that a new CMP is alot cheaper at the International dealer (we have one nearby here) than at the Ford dealer. I think something like $80 or $90 vs. $150 or better ??

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John M

10-23-2007 13:55:21




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Tim B from MA, 10-23-2007 10:11:59  
Wont read all the codes! The new CPS is only 28 bucks at dealer. Sounds more like the IDM to me.



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Joe(TX)

10-23-2007 09:27:12




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Tim B from MA, 10-23-2007 08:11:18  
All the readers will show the genaric codes. There are also vehicle (manufacturers) codes and pending codes which only the more expensive ones will read.
Does the check engine light come on?



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Tim B from MA

10-23-2007 20:32:35




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Joe(TX), 10-23-2007 09:27:12  
An update Joe,

The truck was fine driving to work, kriving home from work this evening it was acting up again and this time the "service enging soon" light DID come on.



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Brokenwrench

10-23-2007 09:26:08




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Tim B from MA, 10-23-2007 08:11:18  
The cam sensors are known to be problematic.
They ain`t the cheapest, but given their history, I`d just replace it like Allan says.
One hint, take the belt off the tensioner. It makes getting to it alot easier.
Post back if that fixes the problem or not.
BW



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Allan In NE

10-23-2007 08:29:28




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 Re: 7.3L Powerstroke and OBD II readers in reply to Tim B from MA, 10-23-2007 08:11:18  
Yeah Tim,

Ya better get that sensor changed out 'cause one of these times you might get to ride back to town in the tow truck.

I carried an extra for 107K miles, but never did need it before I traded.

The local Ford shop says that they've had to replace a few of 'em however.

Allan



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