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Mobile home tongue weight

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Paul Janke

11-23-2005 17:28:08
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I am supposed to try to move a Shult 16 x 80 mobile home with my IH 660. I can keep the front wheels on the ground with up to 7000 pounds of tongue weight. The house has six axles under it with 8 x 14.5 tires and the kitchen is over the axles. Will I be able to do this, or do I need to add weight to the front of the tractor. Thanks in advance.




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ChadS

11-25-2005 08:41:56
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 17:28:08  
Find someone with a totor. You would be surprized how many drivers that would hook on to one "afterhours" for a few bucks. The bad thing about moving them with tractors, VS a Semi/totor is that you have no tuning radius with the tractor, just the slightest turn too sharp, and you have tire imprints in the front of the home! I seen a fellow try to move a 14X70 with a 88 oliver,,,, broke the hitch clean off the tractor. 16x80's are heavy, 14 wides arent so bad,, If you are out in the country, and dont have alot of traffic, have 2 escorts, one in front, one in back, thats Indiana law for 16 wides,,, but without permits, you might get lucky and get away with it, but if your out on the highway, best to find a truck,,, some person always has that cell phone on speed dial ready to nark on you. Trust me, been there,, done that!!! Permits are not expencive,,, do it right other wise they could impound the whole lot of ya! tractor, trailer, escort cars, and fine you, and the owner of the house! ChadS

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KCTractors

11-24-2005 15:19:01
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 17:28:08  
I would not attempt that with a tractor. I had a 10x50 moved by a moblie home hauler, was not that expensive. A neighbor moved a 14x something with Ford 8000, about 3 miles and he said never again.



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Jonfarmer

11-24-2005 07:28:42
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 17:28:08  
I'd say no way!!. Even if you had an adequate tractor, I'm sure towing it down the road is highly illegal like it is here. 16ft is going to take up both sides of the road. The pros are expensive, but you will be paying that and more for fines when you get caught trying to tow this thing.



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barnrat

11-24-2005 07:28:16
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 17:28:08  
I just moved a 14x70 about a month ago with my Massey 1130. The house had to go about 10 miles I made $500 for 3 hours work. Although it was a suicide mission. The tractor weighs about 13k is 125hp with power brakes. the weight of that house house did push the tractor around abit and you need great brakes to stop the thing. also nobody has mentioned that you need to be able to adjust the height of your hitch to compensate for the smallest bumps or the house will drag on the ground and cause major damage. I'm also glad I only had to go on a two lane highway for about 500ft went backroads the rest of the way.

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NEsota

11-24-2005 07:28:03
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 17:28:08  
Paul, it is my sense that you are very determined to try to move this load with your IH660. Recently a guy said, “When I ask for advice and get it, I should probably take it.”. Please find another way to move this trailer.



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Bus Driver

11-24-2005 05:54:20
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 17:28:08  
I don't know the tongue weight, but it may be significant. Locally nothing wider than 14 is permitted. But the number of axles gives a clue to the overall weight. There must be an axle for each 6000# of weight of the unit. I once pulled 9 tons on a trailer with a 35hp tractor and the brakes would never have stopped it going downhill. So just as I topped each hill going up, I stopped and shifted to lower gear. Incidentially, the weight transferred to the tractor helps with traction, both pulling and stopping. Do not try to pull or stop more weight than about 75% of the tractor itself plus the weight transferred from the load onto the hitch.

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IaGary

11-24-2005 04:58:32
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 17:28:08  
I would not want to try it. I've moved 14 x 70 with 1086 around yard before but I would not go down the road with it. 1086 is 14000 lbs and 150 hp. Life is to short for that.



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Mike M

11-24-2005 04:57:12
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 17:28:08  
For 15 miles you may want to get a price from someone with a mobile home toter. I think you may be asking for trouble hope it's all flat !. I moved a smaller one can't rember for sure maybe 12x60 or 70 ? with a 4020 JD that had fluid in the rears and a front loader for weight out front. Those darn things are real heavy and have alot of toung weight. I moved it on the road with an F350 dually dump. For that 16x80 I'd be looking for someone with a bigger tractor at least.

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Mark - IN.

11-23-2005 21:35:01
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 17:28:08  
I'm not familiar with the physical size or weight of an IH 660, but back in the '70's was a mobile home manufacturer in Elkhart, IN. named Skyline. I used to see a guy tote 14x65's around with a smaller Ford after they came off the finish line. Has been many years and am thinking was a N series. Has been like 30 years and the mind's a little cloudier, but don't remember it being a Powermaster or anything like that. Am pretty certain was a N. He didn't have any weights on it, and I remember seeing him get into it hard on a few take offs and pull the front end up for a couple of feet, but he didn't slow down. It'd come down, and he'd wheel them around back for delivery. Man that guy had a lot of confidence (experiance). Once he'd get going, he'd thottle up and wheel them things around like was doing the Indy 500 all day long every day.

Weights or not, just be careful, easy on the take offs, and take it slow. Maybe make a career out of it. Maybe not.

Mark

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mike j

11-23-2005 21:27:32
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 17:28:08  
NOt real sure how big a 660 is but i'm picturing a 6-8000# tractor. known guys to get killed when they went to take off and the tractor just stood up against the trailer and squished them . IF you do it just be very careful so noone get hurt . mike



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Jon Hagen

11-24-2005 20:00:42
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to mike j, 11-23-2005 21:27:32  
A few years ago I bought a 14 X 70 trailer for storage and needed to move it 6 miles. I used an IH 3788-2+2 four wheel drive tractor which weighs 18,000 pounds. First the drawbar bowed so much that I imagined it would smap at any instant.second,the 20.8 38 rear tires squatted so bad that they wrinkled the sidewalls with 25 psi in them. I did manage to creep the 6 miles with the thing,but never again.
I don't even want to think about attempting this with a 660. I was disgusted to see that a trailer house is made of such light and flimsy material,but after that move I realized that if they were any better constructed,it would take commercial house moving equipment to move the thing.

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oldrustycars

11-23-2005 19:42:19
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 17:28:08  
travel trailers for camping generally have about 10 percent of the gross weight as tongue weight. with 6 axles im guessing you'll be good, but may have a problem steering, as thats a lot of scuff to drag those axles sideways.



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RAB

11-23-2005 22:50:38
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to oldrustycars, 11-23-2005 19:42:19  
If that is 10% of the gross weight, there are going to be more problems than just steering. If starting the load is aproblem, what about stopping it in a hurry or going up/down a hill Put it on a truck?
RAB



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Paul Janke

11-23-2005 19:06:20
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 17:28:08  
Your input is helpful. The house needs to go about 15 miles. I am planning to look over the tractor to see if there is any good way to spread the load over more of the tractor. I'm also wondering if I can put some sort of booster axle under the front of the house. No rush, they don't want it moved until Friday morning first thing.



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Mark - IN.

11-23-2005 21:43:06
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 19:06:20  
15 miles?!?!? I'd just posted above before I saw this. Permit? You clear that with the locals? How's your overhead wires? You do have to have a permit, tags, insurance, and because is oversized, flaggers. Heck, I thought you were talking about moving it around on the property. Forget the earlier (above) post.

Mark



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john in la

11-24-2005 04:59:08
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Mark - IN., 11-23-2005 21:43:06  
I got to agree with you Mark.

Tongue weight is the least of his problems.
Lets see sir.........
No over width/length permit.
No proper escort.
Some states do not allow oversize movement on the weekend because of heavy traffic but you choose the busiest day of the year.

The judge will love him.



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T_Bone

11-23-2005 21:35:17
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 19:06:20  
Hi Paul,

To move a trailer on the busiest shopping day of the year?

Please come back and tell us how it went as I'd like to know.

If you need too, you could throw on a toggle switch and a relay for a temporary brake controler.

T_Bone



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Hermit

11-23-2005 18:58:34
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 17:28:08  
If there's a problem, can you just put weight in the rear of the trailer to lighten the tongue weight?



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marlowe

11-23-2005 18:37:25
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 17:28:08  
i have seen tractors with the back ends busted out from doing this a 660 is not made for 7000 lbs of down force on the draw bar



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old

11-23-2005 18:05:45
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 17:28:08  
You will probably be ok, but I'd bring some weights just in case. A lot depands on what brand home it is. I usto pull them cross country and found that one brand was a lot differant then another brand. If your on flat ground I think you will not need the extra weight but if you have any hills to go up then you will probably need them.



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Logan in S.E. Texas

11-23-2005 17:45:58
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Paul Janke, 11-23-2005 17:28:08  
I moved a 14x80 several years ago with a MF 175.
Not really moved, I just repositioned it, moved it about 10 feet over from where it was for a buddy. Front wheels were touching the ground, but that was all, had to use brakes to steer. Just went real slow, low range & 1st gear & reverse. As long as the ground is solid I think you will be OK, just GO SLOW.



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mike732

11-23-2005 20:05:31
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Logan in S.E. Texas, 11-23-2005 17:45:58  
I moved one a couple of years ago with my 220 Allis Chalmers about 8 miles without any problems except it would not turn very sharp due to the tires touching the trailer. It did pull and stay on the ground well...Mike



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504

11-23-2005 20:01:43
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Logan in S.E. Texas, 11-23-2005 17:45:58  
I just moved a 16x80 5 axle with a CIH 5088 and had to have a friend hook to the front with his 100hp White to hold it down. It didn`t pull to bad after we got it started. (only moved it 30 yd to make room for the kids new modular)



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

11-24-2005 06:32:09
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to 504, 11-23-2005 20:01:43  
I had a mover move a 12 x 70 new Skyline several years ago. This thing weighed 31,000 lbs. and we pulled it through a spot in the lawn about 200 feet and it sank in about 8 inches the whole distance. (HIRE AN EXPERT) They are insured to do this type of work. A few dollars saved might cost a lot more in the long run.



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Ken Macfarlane

11-24-2005 07:04:31
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 Re: Mobile home tongue weight in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 11-24-2005 06:32:09  
A bulldozer moved my grandmothers, he had a ball welded to his blade and toyed with the thing. Wasn't a big dozer, Case 850 or something.



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