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Norge oil furnace (O.T.)

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DAVE (CO)

10-20-2005 06:47:51
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Does anyone know anything about an old Norge Fastemp FH70 oil furnace? I have one and would like to get it running again. I'd like to put it in tractor building for heat. (I included tractor in the post, so it isn't entirely O.T.)




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Bus Driver

10-20-2005 15:43:37
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 Re: Norge oil furnace (O.T.) in reply to DAVE (CO), 10-20-2005 06:47:51  
This is a vaporizing burner. Folks in these backwoods used to call them "pot burners".



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Jay (ND)

10-20-2005 08:13:06
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 Re: Norge oil furnace (O.T.) in reply to DAVE (CO), 10-20-2005 06:47:51  
This is what I know about it - I know it's not listed in any of my books, so I'm guessing it's an old carb unit? If it is, the carb is straight forward enough. The only trick is you need a coat hanger to poke in the pipe that goes into the burner about once a year. You want to burn only #1 fuel in it. #2 will soot. Make sure your delivery man flushes his hose. You don't want any #2 in there.

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DAVE (CO)

10-20-2005 09:28:32
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 Re: Norge oil furnace (O.T.) in reply to Jay (ND), 10-20-2005 08:13:06  
Wow, that was quick. What is an "Old Carb" unit? Here's what I know.
Model:fh70
Serial no.: 67421
No.B-447988

It has a part that I'm assumin is the injector with the label:
Detroit Lubrication Company CRC 239
40cc
85-6883
oju108

I think it's out of the 50's.



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Jay (ND)

10-20-2005 09:33:51
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 Re: Norge oil furnace (O.T.) in reply to DAVE (CO), 10-20-2005 09:28:32  
Ok, let me ask you this- is it a stand alone unit that there is no place for duct work? If so, on the back, and occasionally on the side - towards the bottom, there is a carb. It will have a dial on it for low medium high, etc., or possibly a rod that extends up to a knob that has that. Any of this sounding familar?



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DAVE (CO)

10-20-2005 10:18:32
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 Re: Norge oil furnace (O.T.) in reply to Jay (ND), 10-20-2005 09:33:51  
Jay,
Yes, it's a stand alone unit. On the lower back of the furnace housing is what I thought was the injector pump but is probably the carb that you're referring to. (It has the Detroit Lubrication Company inf on it). It does have a rod coming out if the top plate with markings for low, medium, high etc. with starting instructions. It goes straigth up into the unit, The top is still under newspapers dating 1967, but I bet that it has a knob that connects to the rod. I'll check tonight. On the side is a small rod that I'm fairly certain is for the fuel shut-off. There is no place for duct work. I plugged it in last night and best as I can tell, the air is pulled from the top, sides, and upper front and routed around a upside down "L" shaped firebox and blown out the front bottom through the fan. I have an old ad that looks somewhat like it I can email you. (I'm not sure how to link a picture). I could take a picture tonight of it as well. One question I have is: Is the firebox lined? From the outside of the firebox it looks like sheetmetal, from the inside it looks like there is something coming off the sides of it, like a coating of sort. I didn't know if it was just residue, or some sort of liner. Does that help answer your questions? Sorry for so many questions. I'm extremely grateful for your help, I can't find anything on-line about it.

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Jay (ND)

10-20-2005 10:34:05
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 Re: Norge oil furnace (O.T.) in reply to DAVE (CO), 10-20-2005 10:18:32  
Most of those fire boxes aren't lined, but they are extremely durable. Now before I go any further, you need to go buy a carbon monoxide detector. Nighthawk is the brand to buy.

This furnace is extremely simple and you are probably just as qualified to work on it as anyone else.

The lever on the side of the carb is a shut off, like you thought. The low med & high is just that, how high the flame is and thus how hot it gets. The fan may or may not be thermostatically controlled, but that isn't a big deal. Even a house fan will get the heat away. Many of these stoves never even had a fan, they heated by radiating the heat.

The carb is pretty simple, but I wouldn't recommend monkeying with it unless you have to. There is a float inside that keeps the fuel at such and such level. Don't screw with anything in there unless you have to - parts are just about extinct for these.

To light it, you turn on the carb to low med or high. You open the door to the fire pot. You wait until you can see a LITTLE wetness, light a small wad of toilet paper or something and put it in there on the wetness. Don't worry, it's diesel, it won't explode.

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Jay (ND)

10-20-2005 10:37:15
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 Re: Norge oil furnace (O.T.) in reply to Jay (ND) , 10-20-2005 10:34:05  
And this is probably silly for me to mention - but you do will have to have stove pipe to the chimney otherwise you will kill yourself in short order.



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DAVE (CO)

10-20-2005 10:54:46
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 Re: Norge oil furnace (O.T.) in reply to Jay (ND), 10-20-2005 10:37:15  
Jay,
I have carbon monoxide testers, I'll make sure to use one near it. I'm not going to use it very often, so do you think I could just use a gravity feed Jerry Can to fuel this? The fire door has the mica busted out, can I just replace it with a piece of steel? Do I need to clean the burner or do any other maintenance on this? Is there any sort of fuel filter? I heat my house with a #2 fuel oil furnace and know the injectors are supposed to be changed once a year as well as the fuel filter but I don't have injectors on the Norge so what do I need to periodically check? This furnace is currently in the basement of my old farmhouse so it'll be a little while before I have a chance to test out the actual operation of the burner. I do know I need a stove pipe to vent this also. You have been an incredible help, thank you very much!
David

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Jay (ND)

10-20-2005 11:07:37
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 Re: Norge oil furnace (O.T.) in reply to DAVE (CO), 10-20-2005 10:54:46  
Make sure the CO tester is out of the path of moving air. Yes, a jerry can will work just fine. I forgot to mention that it's a gravity flow system, but you figured that out. In my opinion, a piece of steel would be fine for the door, but I think I would get some tempered glass to put there as it's nice to watch. As far as maintenance, the coat hanger trick that I told you plus maybe a vacuuming once a year. A fuel filter is probably a good idea, but not entirely necessary if your can and your fuel are clean. I figured mentioning the stove pipe was silly, but you never know :)

Once you actually get this thing to your shop, you are going to realize that you were way too concerned - it's really very simple. Glad I can be of help :)

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Jay (ND)

10-20-2005 11:22:28
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 Re: Norge oil furnace (O.T.) in reply to Jay (ND), 10-20-2005 11:07:37  
Also #1 Kerosene will work just fine in there as well. You are going to love the heat from this thing.



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DAVE (CO)

10-20-2005 11:21:50
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 Re: Norge oil furnace (O.T.) in reply to Jay (ND), 10-20-2005 11:07:37  
I was hoping it was so simple. I figured the previous owner kept it because it wasn't broke, just not as good of a furnace as what is installed now. I hope it'll fire up, otherwise I'll gut it and use it for some sort of cabinet. I like the rounded top and chrome trim on the front of the brown-crinkled enamel. I couldn't bear throwing it away. I think it'll look good with my 3 slot functioning payphone. Wish me luck.

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Jay (ND)

10-20-2005 11:36:35
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 Re: Norge oil furnace (O.T.) in reply to DAVE (CO), 10-20-2005 11:21:50  
It'll fire up - it's practically fool proof.

Good luck!



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DAVE (CO)

10-21-2005 13:52:51
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 Re: Norge oil furnace (O.T.) in reply to Jay (ND), 10-20-2005 11:36:35  
Jay,
I have one last quick question, what should I allow for clearances to combustibles for single/double wall pipe and rear/sides of the furnace? Thanks,
David



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