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Nylon Crankshaft in Small Engine?!?!

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Bob

08-26-2003 18:28:57




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Some guy is selling 6.5 HP go cart/minibike engines on ebay, and is saying they are higher quality than most, stating that a lot of the "cheap" engines have nylon crankshafts in them. I questioned him about it, and this is the reply I got from him:

"Hello : )
Regarding nylon crank, Most engines coming out of china have Nylon cranks, Other cheap models have a lower quality steel crank both will not pass EPA Tests, Any small engine that is not EPA Certified is not EPA Certified for a reason, Ether its a made in china engine with a Nylon Crank or a low quality steel crank that will not pass the tests. Not too many small engines are EPA Certified besides Honda, J.D. Engines. There are 3 tests on small engines that the EPA tests, 500 hour, 1000 hour and 2000 hour tests. These engines are 2000 hour engines. Briggs has a steel crank but is low quality. Most of the new Powertrain engines are Nylon cranks and made in china, the older ones had steel cranks but still did not meet EPA Standards. So far the only EPA Certified engines you can buy are Hondas 5.5 HP, Hondas 6.5 HP, J.D. 5.5 HP and J.D. 6.5 HP engines in this class. Take Care,
Best Regards,"

Now I didn't just fall off the turnip truck, and can't imagine that a nylon crank would ever be used in any kind of engine. Can anyone enlighten me as to whether this guy is full of BS, or that these "nylon crank" engines actually exist?
Thanks!

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Jason

08-28-2003 05:34:41




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 Re: Nylon Crankshaft in Small Engine?!?! in reply to Bob, 08-26-2003 18:28:57  
I don't think that he meant crankshaft. That being said, I will tell you that there are plastics (known as engineering plastics) that are as strong as steel, both radially and linear in comparison. But the technology/materials in these products are so advanced that it makes them virtually unusable to manufacturers because of the cost involved to produce them. I would not do business with the guy. Have a good day!

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markct

08-27-2003 09:58:08




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 Re: Nylon Crankshaft in Small Engine?!?! in reply to Bob, 08-26-2003 18:28:57  
well i have seen a few plastic camshafts that stripped out when i worked at a small engine repair shop. there is no such thing as a plastic crank, it wouldnt take the forces and heat. also ya would be able to tell right away by looking at the shaft coming outa the motor to tell if the crank was plastic, which none are. this guy is full of crap, like the others have said JD doesnt even make an engine, and also having a low quality steel or plastic camshaft would have no effect on the emisions of the engine which is what the EPA tests, not reliability as he is implying by saying that they test for the number of hours that they run. steer clear of this guy he obviosly doesnt know anything about his product or is trying to cheat ya. could ya post a link to that item on ebay so we could see it too.

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Jay

08-27-2003 06:11:02




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 Re: Nylon Crankshaft in Small Engine?!?! in reply to Bob, 08-26-2003 18:28:57  
Ummm - JD doesn't make an engine. I would say this guy is a bit confused about some things.



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Dr.EVIL

08-27-2003 08:20:48




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 Re: Re: Nylon Crankshaft in Small Engine?!?! in reply to Jay, 08-27-2003 06:11:02  
I'd say that's for sure! Not sure I'd Buy ANYTHING from Him!



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rhudson

08-27-2003 04:34:55




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 Re: Nylon Crankshaft in Small Engine?!?! in reply to Bob, 08-26-2003 18:28:57  
yeah, i'd say he ment camshaft. the first thing to go wrong with my two pacer pumps that i used to pump water from ponds. the plastic camshaft broke in both.



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Greg C.

08-26-2003 23:00:34




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 Re: Nylon Crankshaft in Small Engine?!?! in reply to Bob, 08-26-2003 18:28:57  
I would guess he means a nylon camshaft. I do know that Briggs Quantum engines have them. The lobes and gear are nylon with a steel shaft though the center. Doesnt look very durable to me they probably did it to cheapen up production a little. I've noticed alot of small engines are not what they used to be. And the EPA doesnt help any with those rediculous fixed jets. Have to change a jet to adjust the carb.

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Jake

08-26-2003 22:16:24




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 Re: Nylon Crankshaft in Small Engine?!?! in reply to Bob, 08-26-2003 18:28:57  
Yep, Briggs & Stratton has been using camshafts with some kind of plastic cam lobes on them. I have not yet had such a new engine apart to see what they look like.

All small engines sold in USA now (and for quite a few years) have to meet EPA emissions requirements. I've recently worked on a couple Tecumseh enignes that are about 5 years old and now they not only have a fixed high speed carb jet, but also a fixed idle mixture jet. You can not adjust anything on them.

Any new small engine in the store has a EPA label on it.

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John Nelson

08-26-2003 20:23:03




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 Re: Nylon Crankshaft in Small Engine?!?! in reply to Bob, 08-26-2003 18:28:57  
Many B/S and Tecumpseh small engines do have nylon camshafts? If the oil gets dirty, the cam goes flat ;>)
John



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Ryan

08-26-2003 20:16:58




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 Re: Nylon Crankshaft in Small Engine?!?! in reply to Bob, 08-26-2003 18:28:57  
I could maybe see a nylon CAMshaft, but not a crankshaft. Most plastics do not take well to the rotational torque created in a small engine.



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buickanddeere

08-26-2003 20:15:36




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 Re: Nylon Crankshaft in Small Engine?!?! in reply to Bob, 08-26-2003 18:28:57  
Small high output engines such as the ones used in Huskavarna chain saws use "plastic" crankcases. Maybe that's what was intended?



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Sounds like a CRANK to me

08-26-2003 20:02:31




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 Re: Nylon Crankshaft in Small Engine?!?! in reply to Bob, 08-26-2003 18:28:57  
n/m



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Howard Yoshida

08-26-2003 18:42:50




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 Re: Nylon Crankshaft in Small Engine?!?! in reply to Bob, 08-26-2003 18:28:57  
Aloha, I doubt that a nylon crank would stand up to the heat. Why would the EPA be involved??

Mahalo,
Howard



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Dave Wis

08-26-2003 20:05:04




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 Re: Re: Nylon Crankshaft in Small Engine?!?! in reply to Howard Yoshida, 08-26-2003 18:42:50  
About 2 years ago I read in an auto magazine that one of the Japanese manufacturers was experimenting with plastic engine parts such as blocks, heads, pistons, rods, cranks etc., but I haven't read anything more about it. I'm guessing it would be a carbon fiber material as some of those alloys,if that is what they are called, are very strong and light. I think one thing that would need to be addressed is stiffness. Also as Howard said, why would the EPA be involved? I know they are considering emissions standards on gas powered consumer products but so far I don't think any have been enacted.

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